Did you see her movie /co/?I thought it was pretty good.
>>156024417>enters a world of talking, anthropomorphic animals >STILL doesn't "believe in magic" I get her arc was all about overcoming the feeling to rush into adulthood or whatever, but this just got exhausting past a certain point
>>156024652It was worth it to see her get smacked
>>156024417The mom was some type of Asian, right? The girl looks full white, and the baby brother even more so.I never read the books, but does it say if Alexandra is the "mom"? He looks even less hapa than the girl, more like a blend of Alexandra and the dad.
>>156024870Yeah I think the magic made them white.
>>156024417Some of the violence was kinda brutal. earned that Pg13 rating. I particularly liked the coyote getting a knife in its head.
>>156024417I liked it. There were times where it was a little self-indulgent, but the work Laika did on their models and animations were fantastic. The animal characters were great, and Tom Waits as the head coyote was a stupendous choice. They nailed the voice acting overalloh... and the movie took 16 YEARS TO MAKE. 16 YEARS.
>>156025474Disregard, I suck cocks the actual work didn't start until 2021.
>>156024417Hope the movie comes out on video soon so I can get screen grabs of her in her boxers for commission refs.
>>156025474Isnt that just cause the CEO wanted to fuck around and direct other movies
>>156025815Well they needed the practice.
Good not great. From a technical standpoint it doesn't get any better it's pure eye candy. Storywise it's a little generic and tropey and the main character isn't very likeable. Def worth seeing it for the visuals alone though.Basically the Avatar of animated movies
I ship it
I wanted to fuck the rat so bad
>>156025310The coyote that was on fire kind of fucked me up. It really was a brutal movie.
>>156024781biggest laugh in the center came from that scene and the old druid lady's smack talk after.
>>156028191I wanted to fuck the giant bird general.So yeah, fuck me I guess.
>>156028379Me too. Alas...
>>156024417it was a great time, I enjoyed it a lotdoomers BTFO once again
>>156025721>Hope the movie comes out on video soon dude it just came out todayit's gonna be at least a few months before that
>>156024417Don't plan to.
>>156024417I did, it was fucking awesome. Ever since watching Coraline as a kid I always wanted to see a Laika movie that is more mature and brutal and doesn't shy away from blood so this was basically my wet dream come true. (heh, no pun intended) It's the kind of movie I always wanted, one that has a great and unusual style and is not made for kiddies.
>>156024417What would Laika need to make to finally turn a profit?
>>156028784If the coyote army started fucking each other in a big sex pile, I'd have gone to see it repeatedly.
>>156024417Holy fuck why does every shot of this character look so repugnant? Why does she have so many creases on her face? That's not how expressions lines work. Extremely uncanny Benjamin Button ass shit.
>>156028784Stop hiring celb VAs to save money, especially for the smaller roles. There's no point in hiring Charlie Day and Akwafina for 20 lines.
>>156028914You should like, actually go outside and look at real people. You'd be surprised.
>>156028784R rating
>>156024417I'm going to tomorrow.
It's pretty great. As usual the writing isn't the greatest and the story is pretty generic fantasy, but what saves it is the insanely impressive presentation and how gritty it is at times, they really pull no punches. Curtis is the best.
>>156030668It is based on a book series so I wonder how they compare as far as what's changed.
>>156030806I know that charlie day's character is gone in the book after the jailbreak
>>156024417>both threads on tv and co are basically dead>movie gets less discussion than the other slop released this monthDamn i thought people were generally hyped for laika stuff, guess im out of touch even with the non normalfag crowd. Anyway the art and animation was absolutely gorgeous, no stop motion movie will ever compete with this one in terms of that, but man the writing was pretty fucking weak. A lot of the dialouge was cringe and cliche, there were multiple plot points that didnt matter or didnt really go anywhere, a lot of the movie was just traveling back and forth between locations to get exposition dumped on, and the story itself was fairly predictable. This feels like a common trapping with passion projects that are in production for so long. Its like the ideas have been stewing in the directors head for so long he just keeps adding more and more to the plot. The movie felt like a mini series or a trilogy cramed into 2 and a half hours of screen time. Pretty disappointing for something i was so excited for, but atleast i can appreciate it for its art. Some would brush that off as style over substance but in this case id say the style is the substance. Also im not one to care that much about woke shit but i did roll my eyes everythime they inserted it into the writing, it felt really forced and out of play for a movie about magic and nature to have a drag queen story hour sign on prominent display in the opening.
>>156030806>It is based on a book series>the series is three bookslongI literally told my friends it felt like they cramed a trilogy worth of plot into a a single movie.
>>156031611>it felt really forced and out of play for a movie about magic and nature to have a drag queen story hour sign on prominent display in the opening.No fucking way
>>156031611>have a drag queen story hour sign on prominent display in the opening.well if nothing else, it's true to portlandthe most fantastical part of the movie was when she's biking with her toddler brother in the beginning around the pearl district and they don't get accosted by homeless or junkies at all
>>156031763Was it like that in 2011 when the first book came out?
>>156024417>>156026337What’s with the giant eye bags?
>>156031853Yes. Some of the Portland aspects seemed more 2000s than 2010s though. 00s Portland was truly whimiscal and hopeful, with guys on double decker bikes and cheap housing. 2010s Portland became more political and intense, with only the hipster aspect carrying over from the 00s. By CHOP/CHAZA, that magic truly ended. There's too many homeless encampments now.>>156031679Opposite of the Hobbit kek
>>156031904Theyre fatigued from all the blacks and homeless in portland
>>156031904vitamin D deficiency does that
>>156031920Sure sounds authentically stupid then. Just neglecting the junkie hobos everywhere problem that's in every blue city.My next question is regarding whether it's true there's lesbian subtext & full on gay men kissing on screen?
>>156032028>lesbian subtextNo not really. >gay men kissing on screen?I think this happens twice actually kek. Once in the opening and again towards the end.
>>156032084Ech
>>156032110Meh
>>156026337Film Roger really nailed the scheming whispering snake better than the book.>>156031611>there were multiple plot points that didnt matter or didnt really go anywhere, a lot of the movie was just traveling back and forth between locations to get exposition dumped onThe Governor-Owl stuff felt particularly pointless.
>OH MAH GOD THIS IS SO GOOOODDD BLAH BLAH BLAHAll Laika films are key jingling Oscar bait for morons produced by a nepo baby who treats his workers like shit and the only reason this studio exists is because said nepo baby stole Will Vintons studio from him leaving him to die alone and depressed. Coraline is the only good film they’ve made and that was largely because of Henry Selicks direction.You morons are falling for his slop, fuck off back to your animation is cinema twitter accounts you fucking consoomers.
>>156032028Theres like one scene where you see two female bandits tearfully hug when reunited, but thats about it far as Yuri shit goes.
heh heh heh heh ... wood
>>156032234Well that's good but I can do without old men yaoi.
>>156032228so mad
>>156032187Yeah, they honestly could've cut the owl character and just merged his role with either the Eagle general or the tiny bird girl.
>>156032251Nothing I distinctly recall, but this IS set in Portland in the opening and ending, so the other anon is probably right. Again though, I didnt remember them, so they're probably constrained to background scene filler.
>>156032380What a horrid city.
>>156032228Tldr
>>156032380There's also that one part where Prue's parents are speaking about Mac's future.>... and when Mac finds a partner - she, he, or they - can live at home with us!But yeah, it's Portland. They made it abundantly clear with the craft markets, Dart Vader unicyclist, and man-bun on Dad that that's what they were going for.
>>156032461Even if they didnt outright say the city name, I would've guessed that was it. (Seattle or Tacoma in Washington wouldve been my next guesses. )
could tell the writer of the book wasn't actually a portland native with how he vilifies crows and coyotes, nobody born here actually hates either and there's no easier way to spot transplants than seeing people freaked out because a coyote was on their forest-y suburban street at midnightgoogled it and he's from citysville montana lmao
>>156032228movies are a visual medium, why shouldn't people care about the movie looking good? nepotism is different from someone just being rich, why shouldn't rich people be allowed to make art? at least in this case he also ends up employing artists to make shit that they want instead of hording his wealth or needless excess and how are the stories bad?
>>156028784r-rated horror movie
>>156032761Then you people are retarded. Coyotes are pests & dangers to pets.
>>156024417I liked it, very nice on the eyes. I suspect it might not do well in the box office though. I know their Ceo is a trust fund kid so it wont be the end of the world, but its still concerning laika isn't at least reaching break even
>>156032800>peststhey're a keystone predator, they're needed in every ecosystem they inhabit>they're a danger to my invasive pets I'm too lazy to keep insidestop feeding your cats to them and getting mad when you leave a hamburger in the yard retard
>>156028784Since the budget is 100-400 million they would need 400-800 just to break even
>>156032829You're a fucking idiot. Predators don't belong in the city areas. They need to be kept out & made afraid of people. What kind of psychopath blames the cat for getting eaten by a predator the people are supposed to keep out?
>>156032800I have coyotes in my area. They're chill. Smart enough to know not to fuck with humans or their pets.
>>156032861keep crying that your literal invasive species that decimates local ecosystems got killed
>>156032861Kys retard
>>156032084Don’t forget at the beginning when the dad acknowledges the possibility his son may someday marry a woman, man, or “they.”
>>156032861The city was built on their home, outdoor cats are a plague on every city they're brought toQuit acting like a nog
>>156032959That felt so awkward abd forced. They could have just gotten the point across by sayibg >whoever he marriesBut no they had to go >whoever she, OR HEEEEE, OR THEYYYY
I wish I could escape my nightmare MAGA state and move to Portland
I think my favorite bit was pru instantly knowing the dowager governess was full of shit when she's making her side seem innocent>>156033100it seemed so on the nose it was poking fun at those kinds of people in portlandsame with the western medicine line from him later on
>>156033191That seen was good, but then all of that energy was lost immediately after when the governess presented Mac's onesie, and Prue took it at face value without even a question.
>>156033339I imagine the fear and panic and grief at seeing "evidence" of him being dead was enough to cloud her mind
>>156032761it really was disappointing to see them as antagonists again
>>156033339You read too much into Peru’s words. She was saying exactly what was on her mind: that she didn’t care about what was going on in the woods and only wanted her brother back. She was not saying “I think you’re full of shit and secretly evil.” So yeah, when she saw evidence her brother was dead she took it at face value.
>>156024417I really want to like it more. It does 3 things good: the american fae aesthetic, the surprisingly viceral violence (though mostly bloodless), and of course the actual physical production itself was fantastic.Otherwise it has severe problems. I mostly agree with >>156031611It was obviously at minimum 2 movies smashed together, but someone saying its based on a trilogy makes so much sense. Dialogue was terrible for 90% of movie, with only some of well done stuff being the purposefully bad/dumb dialogue (everything the hippies said for example). The woke shit is mostly mocked and not paraded as a positive but that didn't make it fun. My biggest gripes with the movie though are:Every character, that isn't the two mains or the dowager, has nothing to latch onto. Only like, 4 even have names? I don't care about any of these super important characters like... eyepatch bandit, giant bird, or mail van driver.Prue's only purpose, explicitly said by characters IN THE MOVIE, is to go to a place and exist. The only things she "does" is fuck up, fuck up with style, fuck up on purpose, and accidentally win at the end. She's an observer in the story not the driving force. Her parents do more than she does from a plot perspective. And worse, at the end she acts all badass girl boss about fixing the forest and what did she actually do besides win through pretty much pure luck.Curtis, surprisingly, had much more agency in the story and he's so hard to watch. He has almost a negative character arc in that he sort of specifically chooses not to change? He actively chooses to continue being a puss even after having done what he does in the final scenes.
Yay black afro lesbian though!
>>156034876>Curtis, surprisingly, had much more agency in the story and he's so hard to watch.Kurtis felt like a much better protagonist, and i dont think his arc is bad, theres nothing wrong with both growing up a bit but not letting what youve done change who you are. Its ok to kill when you need too and also be a fuckin dork. I appreciate that kind of character.My main issue is thats hes deliberately written to be an annoying and hes still that for 99% of the movie. I guess that also goes with the other main issue i have with the film, the main girls arc. They set her up as a "dont grow up too fast" type of thing with her being a cunt to kurtis and the whole magic is le fake and gay attitude, then it just kind of goes no where. I wonder if the book had her go through a proper arc
>>156035045I wanted to stick my penis in her
>>156035075I want her and the governess to give the nerd boy a competitive blowjob.
>>156035162This but on one of the coyotes instead
>>156032228I read it in his voice
>>156035061Agreed. I was worried Kurtis' Arc was going to have him stop being a nerd and liking DnD since it "glorified violence" or whatever the critique is. But no, the post credits shows that he's still playing RPGs with his friends. Despite going through severely traumatic experiences for his age, he didn't let it it destroy who he was.Bit off topic, but I also can appreciate a movie that actually has the older sibling like their younger sibling from the get go. Too many kids movie has their dynamic start in the negative, and I was worried this would be the case here.
>>156035162every scene between Curtis and the Governess was peak /ss/, man.
>>156031904How would you feel if you had to govern a city full of Furries for the past 20 years?
>>156024417Is this based on a book?
>>156035557A trilogy, apparently. Yes.
>>156035061>i dont think his arc is badOh I'll agree on that part. And it's ok for him not to change, its more the way he chooses that bugs me. I'm going to mostly chalk it up to the way the movie itself ends I guess. Maybe there was more in the finale of the book that fixes it for me.
>>156035633Probably right. WHile I like the movie, it does rush the ending a bit. A lot of stuff even had to be pushed to the credits animations
>>156034876>the surprisingly viceral violence (though mostly bloodless)Really? That was actually one of the things I took the most notice of, how they don't shy away from showing blood. Even simple things like scrapes, bloody knuckles etc are a no-go for most animated features for a wide audience, but here it only takes like 20 minutes for that to happen. Even something as extreme as stabbing is not too crazy to show up in a lot of family movies, like backstabbings etc; but every time they make sure the sword or blade or whatever is squeaky clean. Contrast this to Wildwood where they don't just show every single weapon being visibly stained with blood after use, but even show Curtis process the fact he just took anothers life in real time as he sees his own reflection in his blood-stained sword
>>156035662Think they're refering to the big battle. While the protagonists clearly showed the blood in their respective fights, the Coyotes and Bandits getting torn up was fairly clean for how brutal the injuries were.
>>156035662>>156035697Also the other scenes with dead people like where they captured the bandit king, the bird queen, or quieting of the prison. Not saying we need squibs or rivers of blood. But they were missing.
>>156034876Oh, and to clarify a bit, I do like the movie. It's somewhere between a 6.5 and 7.5 out of 10 movie. I just want to like it more but can't
>>156035799Completely fair. now that I'm out of the honeymoon period of walking out of the theater, I too am much more critical. Definitely one of the best films this year, but still a 7.
>>156035307Oh my lord, yes. Who's the main one? Vlad? Mean bastard, I loved his wrinkly snout when he got mad. I want him to hold me down...
>>156035846MaksimI loved that the coyotes all had slavic names, very fitting for portland
>>156036111>Maksimwait, that was his name? I thought they were like, coughing or some shit everytime to get his attention.
>>156036168yeah that's his name, he's the movie's version of vlad from the book apparently
>>156035846him being enough of a chad to tank that entire crowd of bandits at the end and still be chasing down prue with a full knife block stabbed into his back was sick as hell
>>156031679For all the plot and characters in the film, I thought it was handled as well as it could be and added to the world. I personally don't mind getting to see different entities reacting to the situation presented to them in the form of Prue and Curtis being outsiders, gives depth to the world, which I thought was good as the fantasy setting feels unique and inherently mired in conflicts and politics that make it feel more lived-in than just "whoaaaa... welcome to the magical world of Cumpoohpa... ERM... did that rabbit just TALK? did that lady just move that plant with her MIND?"facetious comparison aside I'm thinking more Harry Potter "erm, you're a wizard harry" "I AM???"It's a really shame about what's happened to Portland now, and wild they're recreating a feeling from 16+ years ago long lost to performative politics and uproarious vitriol. Hard times.Also did you fellas know the website has interactable models from the film?
> Decided to read the book before watching the movie> Go watch movie> Feel disappointed Turning a 500+ page book into a movie was not a good idea. A mini TV series would have been better considering this is a book series.
>>156036861Is the story any better
>>156036861What dissapointed you about the comparison?This is why I DIDN'T read it desu, bc it's more about how well the movie can create the vibes of the book that stand out; part of that is character and their politics, which the movies succeeds at imo, but you'll never get as much time to flesh certain aspects or characters out while keeping a good pace.
>>156034876I mean I think what your saying has an essence of truth in how it effects my perception as a whole, but I don't think Prue rally girlbosses at the end about winning, really, it's iterated multiple time in the movie, that she IS an outsider and that this wasn't something that's her fault, but something set in motion well before her. If anything it's her actions as an individual coming of age, that FOIL the plans of (effectively) her surrogate mother that were laid out for her, things she had no control of but chose to take control of in the end for her ONE single express purpose: to save her brother.The other character besides those 3 are kind of there to give character to the Impassable Wilds and set the stage for their own conflicts, but the movie does a decent job of showing that the politics going on have been at play for a long time. Prue is not the focal of those politics until she is at the very very end, and even then she's just here to save her family.What I'm saying is that she literally IS an observer to the story of the Wildwood- the impassable wilds. It's not her home, but she has an unkowning connection to it, one that brings her into conflict with it and one she eventually succeeds at through her own desire and action to save her sibling.Then she goes home. Those politics aren't for her, but she the role she had to in the end to save what she wanted to save.
>>156036111Son of a bitch
>>156036927The first book in the series is mid, the second and third book are better.>>156036936The characters interactions and dialogue felt too short, and Curtis scene with Alexandria and the coyote army got cut short too.
>>156032228I'm looking for the Virgin Michael Bay vs. The Chad Travis Knight. Someone made it around the time Bumblebee came out, but I can't find it anymore.
>>156031611>non normalfag crowd/co/ is extremely normalfag. They’re probably even more out of touch than normalfags if that’s even possible.>im not one to care that much about woke shit but i did roll my eyes everythime they inserted it into the writingI prefer it in this context where the movie takes place in a very liberal American city where that sort of thing would be prominent if you were walking around downtown. They aren’t awkwardly cramming it into places where it feels out of place. Plus it’s PG-13, so if parents get upset they’re retarded.
>>156032461The parents are very clearly hippies. That line is played for laughs, not because Laike is making fun of they/thems, but the idea of parents caring about something like that so early.
>>156037420>girlbossesI really only meant she girl bosses the coup. It really comes out of nowhere from a plot perspective. Its like, who cares at this point? The movie would actually have been better if she didnt do that and instead one of the other characters straight up said "dont worry about owl, we'll make sure he's freed" and then off she goes home. It would further solidify that shes not part of that world.As for the observer part, thats mostly my problem with it. There are great movies where the main character is primarily an observer, but shes treated much closer to a living macguffin (we'll chekovs gun) than a character. She's passed around from place to place until at the end she kills the bad guy with an ass pull. A very well telegraphed, expected, and satsifying one, but an asspull nonetheless. Its so close to greatness.
It came in third at the boxoffice, but only with $4.3M. Is that good?
>>156037991No. Not even going to make an excuse, it's not good.
>>156037991considering the only things that came out this week were the nathan fielder doc and clayface it's not greatbut laika movies never make their money back, especially not on opening weekends
>>156037991Wildwood isn’t their “trying to win back audiences” movie it’s their “not caring about the audience” movie. They’re at the acceptance stage of people not caring about their stuff grief. They will keep funneling money into movies until they get an Oscar. Ignoring Knight’s connections, they also have partnerships with universities and their animation programs, so they literally DO NOT CARE about the clickbait box office headlines.
>>156038065>>156035799>clayfaceI went to see both of these movies back to back. Clayface first, then Wildwood. Like i said, 6.5-7.5 for Wildwood, and I'd give Clayface a solid 7. I don't have enough confidence yet to say if I like Wildwood better or not. Which sucks so fucking much. Now, the genre matters a lot there. I mostly got what I wanted out of Clayface and it did better than I had expected out of it. Wildwood did the opposite.
>>156038172That’s a bummer, but I kind of believe it. It’s a shame Laika couldn’t hit a home run script and characters to match the time spent on their visuals. Despite the press, they’re not the only people making stuff though, so it’s not the end of the world for stop-motion hipsters like ourselves.
worth seeing this back to back after clayface or would it be too much?
>>156024417It don't come out where I live for another week
Just got back from my theater. Saw it with my mom and we both enjoyed it.A couple of things I liked:>Visually one of Laika's best works yet, the ending battle scene is honestly some of the best animation I've seen in a long time>The pacing is almost nonstop, it feels like the movie crammed a lot in its 2 hour runtime>The dark and brutal imagery, Laika did not shy away from showing death and there were some genuinely scary scenes, such as the coyote getting hit by the red mail van, only to get up and keep attacking, his face half covered in blood>The villainess was excellent, making her sympathetic but still a genuinely evil person, I especially loved what they did with her and Curtis, it felt genuinely creepyNow some of the things I didn't like:>I feel like more could've been done with the two leads, Prue's arc really didn't feel present and Curtis's arc, while passable, needed more to it>The dialogue itself wasn't the best, it felt too much like exposition>For the most part, I really didn't mind any of the woke bits. After all, its set in Portland and the characters that act woke look exactly like the type who would (like Prue's dad) so it was believable. However, the two gay couple (A lesbian couple hugging and a brief blink and you'll miss it gay couple hug) felt like it was there just to fill a quota. Also, I'm bisexual so its not the fact its gay thats the problem, just that it feels tacked on
>>156024417Watching it rn, still in the trailers
>>156039283based>>156038172>I went to see both of these movies back to backSame. I had fun with both. Clayface was a little too CW, and I disliked some of the quips in Wildwood, but overall I had a decent time. >>156039266>>Visually one of Laika's best works yet, the ending battle scene is honestly some of the best animation I've seen in a long timeIt's up there for me with some live action battle scenes. >that act woke look exactly like the type who would (like Prue's dad) so it was believableSame. I don't understand how people are bothered by it. It wouldn't feel like Portland without the woke. That's just the city.
>>156028914While I understand the desire to have a character look as beautiful as possible, I think doing so would actually detract from this film in particular. The way the characters look is meant to contrast with the fantastical world, making its inhabitants stand out when placed next to Prue and Kurtis (Curtis?). This also works in reverse, making both our main characters stand out as outsiders amongst the fantasy folk. Just look at the humans actually from the fantasy world, they look either very clean and proper (The villainess and the governor) or they'll look fantastically gross or ugly (The bandit king or the governor's right hand man).Like, imagine if Prue looked like the girl from Hexed. It just doesn't fit the aesthetics of the film.
I honestly forgot I was looking at stop motion puppetry for the majority of the movie. It's really insane how far the technology has come.
>>156039266>A lesbian couple hugging and a brief blink and you'll miss it gay couple hug.Surely those were just siblings. But you know what bugged me about that scene? Just no indication we gave a shit about those 3 people from the prison that didn't come back. All you needed was one or two people looking around worried or disappointed. It felt like too happy of a scene.
>>156039890eh, they were also captured after losing an open battle so there were even more dead than those who got executed in the warren
>>156039596It's mostly cgi pretending to be stop motion.
>>156039967based retard
>>156039967You have no idea what youre talking about
>>156028784minions movie
>>156039596when stop motion gets so smooth it becomes nigh indistinguishable from cg whats even the point
It's familyslop movies like this that remind me that I've missed my opportunity to have a family of my own and I'll die alone.Good movie, though I feel like it dragged a bit in the second act. The exposition of the villian felt rushed.
>>156040243Anon, just ring a bell and wait for a woman to step out of the fog. AlsoWildwood is apparently a real place in Portland. There's a 'mansion' and a stone house that locals call the 'Witch's House' in those woods.
>>156040355yep, I grew up in the SW hills and the witch's castle was a popular spot, pittock mansion was a frequent field trip spot in school too
>>156040158Its about the craft, the skill involved. You wouldnt get it
>>156040158that's like saying there's no point to master artists who can make an oil painting look like a photograph
>>156040355Long story but also infertility issues with my partner and we are aged now with no desire to adopt, so gg no re
>>156025070>Magic fixes them>They turn whiteWhat did Laika mean by this
>>156040413no i get it its just stupid and impractical. stop motion has appeal because it carries a unique visual style. when that style becomes so refined it basically disappears theres really no point. probably the best implementation of stop motion to both tell a story and carry a strong visual language is anomalisa. i dont think that movie would hit the same if it were done with cg>>156040438i mean i think people that become pro rendermonkeys to make photorealistic headshots are idiots, yes. if youre painting photorealistic fantasy landscapes or whatever thats a different thing, but becoming a master of doing what a camera can do is indeed fucking stupid
>>156040158Making inanimate objects look real is the point, anon.
Laika left out the /ss/ dinner scene with Curtis and Alexandria from the book.
I like the movie, but the villain felt like she didn't really get her time to shine. The coyotes do all her dirty work. I can't tell if your supposed to feel relieved or saddened at her death. But she works more than well enough and has parallels to our MC, which is nice.,
>>156040519>tell a story and carry a strong visual language is anomalisa.>Anoma fucking lisaLmao you fucking turbo psued. Never reply to me again
>>156040519>anomalisaAnon your bait isnt supposed to be this obvious
>>156039283 (Me)I think Laika is too good at stop-motion at this point. While technically mindboggling, it registers no differently than 3D animation. The story itself should be good, but the writers were either lazy or cowards. Character arcs are half-baked and there's frankly too little focus on anyone in particular for the viewer to grow attached to them. This includes the side characters. By the third act, I was increasingly frustrated by all the missed opportunities. For a movie a bit over 2 hours, it still comes off as if far too many lines and scenes were cut from the final product to its detriment.
>>156041296Forgot to add, I can't stand how the story just happens to Prue. Kurdas (Fucked gay spelling, which they HAD to make sure you knew about with the name on the cup) legitimately is more active in this story than Prue. They really should have had him act as more of a foil to Prue. They clearly wanted to do this tale about growing up and letting go and such, but they didn't do enough work to have the story be about that. Curtis was clearly supposed to be an immature character who learns to grow up, in order to enhance Prue's character, which was the overly mature character who learns to allow the whimsy of youth into her life. They could've had Curtis achieve a certain level of competence and bravado by being groomed by the Governess into her right hand man/temporary substitute for her son (they'd keep the sexual undertones, it helps add to the idea of "false maturity") . This would give us time to learn about and attach to Curtis, the Governess, and even be used for exposition of the Governess' backstory. It'd also show a good man being seduced by the false promises of evil, only to later truly mature and choose good when he saves Prue from the coyote commandant. They would have to actually tell the audience more about him being a pacifist in the first act so that when he saves Prue, it's because he's come to the conclusion that violence is not in and of itself evil, it is merely a means to an end. And in order to have this all in service of Prue's story, they need to do a little more to build her up as someone who rejects "fairy tales". They did good with having her insist she's grown up while still acting like a rebellious teen. I think they fucked up with having Prue immediately hostile towards Kurdis. Crazy amount of sexual tension in this movie. I would fuck the bird general (who just goes by "General", I suppose) and the Governess.
>>156040519>no i get it its just stupid and impracticalart is never about being practicalit's about being art...what even is this retarded argument you're trying to spin?2d animation is also not practical, so what you're saying it shouldn't exist?dumbahh
>>156041115>>156041284I will defend that random anon. NO! It is (You) who has shit taste. He wasn't even calling it his favorite movie, he just it uses stop-motion in a way that enhances the story, which is obviously true. You two got triggered hard.
>>156041580>(Fucked gay spelling, which they HAD to make sure you knew about with the name on the cup)pretty sure that's just riffing on the "starbucks always misspells customer names for engagement points" thing.
>>156040732I think it's both. You are supposed to understand the grief that has consumed her and wish things had turned differently, since before everything she was a good woman. However you also need to understand crossing the point of no return leaves no room for redemption.
>>156041115>>156041284Wait what's wrong with Anomalisa, that movie is fucking fantastic.I do agree with the sentiment that there is something a bit unfortunate about stop-motion becoming so advanced it becomes harder and harder to distinguish from CG animation. I don't think we're quite there yet, I think you can still see their craft in the animation, but I personally will always prefer stop-motion animation that is a little more "imperfect", cause it makes you still see the hand of the animator in it. One of my recent favorites is Onions Frankelda, precisely because it's kinda rough around the edges, but it just makes you really see these as little puppets being moved around. A similar thing is being able to see subtle fingerprints in Aardman productions.
>>156024870i genuinely didn't see the mom as nonwhite until she speaks japanese at the end. they've got to be 1/4 jap at best, which often looks full white
Amazing movie, artistically flawless. If I may be annoying I'd say the third act was a bit messy narratively and I was slightly bothered by the pacing, how some character arcs where handled, and the ending didn't feel emotionally compelling to be honest. Regardless, fantastic film, I hope it wins at the Oscars this year.
>>156024417i really liked it, one or two moments were kind of wonky writing wise but didn't ruin it. i was gratified by how much violence there was in the movie. my mother compared the end battle to LOTR movie one which i think is a valid comparison.
Not sure how the theater managed a 7pm showing on Thursday. But my buddy and I watched it while out of town on a job. Kind of continued on our Laika streak since I watched Coraline and ParaNorman with him in theaters. But as expected, no one else was there for it.
>>156043675I'm actually pretty shocked to see so many empty theaters for this movies. The theater I went to was packed, except for a few seats at the very front.
>>156043699The was like maybe 10 people at my theatre. Counting myself and my adult nephew.
>tfw no Septima to comfort you in a cage>tfw no Septima to secretly ride your dick while in the cage
Is it weird to find the coyotes hot?
>>156045887Yes. But you're here on 4chan and /co/ so you're among your peers.Freak
>>156045887No, they're mega hot. Was it Dmitri talking about peeing on the fire pit? Cause that was hot too. Also sauce plz.
>>156045887no that's a pretty normal reaction
>>156045976https://e621.net/posts/6807210?q=wildwoodAlso, it was the coyote that ended up joining Curtis and the bandits.I guess I have a thing for boyfailures.
>>156046090Yeah, that was Dmitri, I think. I wanna cuddle him.
>>156031904This is what I'm wondering too. Makes this kid look like she's 38, really jarring.I know they're capable of making cute girls (Coraline)
>>156046502why does every character need to be cute, some real life kids just genuinely look weird.
>this movie is only playing at the shitty theater in my town with sticky floors and stale popcorn instead of the fancy hipster one that brings food to your seatKms, is this movie worth it or should I wait for streaming?
>>156046642it has a big battle scene so probably worth it on a big screen if you like that kind of thing
The eyebag discourse had me searching.Everyone seems to have eyebags, with the only exception being Curtis and Alexi. Even the baby has them. The bigger issue is Prue has nasolabial folds, eyebags, and forehead lines (see Lars at the end). Other characters, even the adults, have 1-2 of these traits, but Prue has all 3. With the exception of Roger, but he's clearly meant to be older >>156032187.
>>156046722>>156046502Friend of mine thinks she might actually be like, 18-20. Which is why shes so aggro to the nerd kid whos 5 years younger than her. Also why her mother looks 50. At most i think shes 16? She's still doing the teenage cunty thing not the college age bitchy thing.
>>156043699Yeah, the theater I went to had every seat filled. There was even regular people sitting on the floor in the wheelchair spots.
>>156040355I hike on the wildwood trail every week :^)its beautiful
>>156043699I went to see it release night with a bunch of people who worked on the movie in a smaller auditorium and even then our theater was half-full, bummed me out a bit
>>156046916Bastard... I've been planning a birthday weekend getaway for myself, but I'm undecided on the city. Wildwood convinced me to add Portland to the list.
>>156046840I assumed she'd be 12, her stated age in the booksNot sure why they'd age her up
>>156046840your friend is a moron, prue/curtis is obviously being gently teased as a potential ship which only makes sense if they're the same age
>>156047091Oooof. If she hit the wall at 12 she's not in for a good life. Normally fairy magic makes you look unnaturally young and beautiful.>>156047097yeah, but thats why I said 16 tops. I could see Curtis being one of those Milhouse types who does look that way all the way up until college so his age can easily match whatever age Prue is.
>>156046996If you do visit, the beginning segment of wildwood trail connects the Japanese garden, zoo, and Pittock Mansion (best viewpoint in the city). Easy way to fill up a day. Avoid Greshham and basically the whole east side.
>>156047423east side's been gentrified to hell and where all the good food spots are now
>>156046996But anon, you'll catch the gay!
>>156047500Maybe if you don't stray beyond Laurelhurst, by the time you reach the 205 none of the businesses have public bathrooms because they have to keep street people outgot me buggin
>>156046722The eyebag "discourse" is stupid.
I have to much to say about this film so here is my gay recording of my feelings. https://voca.ro/17u4oPGN4ERh
I hope somebody puts out some fansculpts of the coyote armyI'd love to paint up a little squad of them
>>156031679>>156034876>>156031679Many of you seem to think LAIKA crammed the whole trilogy into one movie à la Spiderwick Chronicles, but they only adapted the very first book. I'm with >>156036861 in thinking this story just doesn't benefit from a 2-hour movie runtime compared to a more expansive novel that lets moments breathe more. They had too much ground to cover and too many different Impassable Wilderness "factions" to cover, all while still getting Prue and Curtis's arcs across. And this is STILL after cutting out a good chunk of stuff like Curtis playing a larger role in getting in the Governess and Coyotes' good graces, taking the Bandit Oath, and staying in Wildwood as a lead-in to the following two books.
Ill watch it, its more of deciding when this week it will be best to go. Its pretty popular in my area
What are the other nominees for the oscars? Hexed, Toy Story 5, Forgotten Island, Hoppers... Wildwood is gonna win, right?
>>156039266Laika has always been a little weird with gay people in their movies. Like with snatcher crossdressing in the Box Trolls, the jock from ParaNorman having a boyfriend, and the fortune tellers who live downstairs in Coraline likely being a gay couple. Laika gets more of a pass since it's not propagandized like in almost everything else that includes that topic. Travis Knight might just have some sort of autistic fixation with it. It doesn't really seem like anything deeply sinister.In Wildwood, it was like a lesser version of the kiss in the Rise of Skywalker.
>>156048289I've never heard anyone pronounce Laika like that.>>156049353>Ray GunnBrad Bird doesn't have the pull for a strong campaign, even with Netflix backing him.>Iron BoyIt's the Little Amelie of 2027. It should win, but it's too French.I think Wildwood actually stands a chance. The Academy has been distancing itself from Disney. I bet they'll be giving it to different studios in the coming years unless Disney really wows them. Sequels won't cut it. They also love the "we've been working on this for 16 years!" shit.
>>156039266People just want to be mad. The two (2) gay hugs/kisses where a second long, no one made a big deal out of it, it's just something in the background like a mother hugging a child or a straight couple saying goodbye. And the Portland stuff was well within what one would expect from the context they were showing. I think it's fine to point out when companies are putting gay stuff in their products for brownie points but at some point it's just some people simply don't wanna see gay people existing period.
>>156031611Bruh, K Pop Demon Hunters was huge and /co/ BARELY discussed it
>my face when the fights were on screenSaw the movie and I loved it. Completely agree with the points other anons made about the story and the brutalities they showed with the action. I do think they ought to make the 2nd and 3rd book into a film; just feels like it need more time to truly open up. Cutting too much from the book might have hurt it more. I'm glad they didn't pull back from the fighting and the shock of it, being in a "children story."My theater gave me a copy of the book so that was sweet.
>>156046502>he doesn't think lolis with bags under their eyes are cuteNGMI
what's fucking crazy is that a huge talking point about this movie is the amount of blood and violence in it. i took both my kids with me, youngest one 6, so i warned them about this beforehand, and we just can't recall that much gore going on?? the battle was crazy, yes, but nothing that would really make any of us shocked and no imagery that "burned in", other than Curtis bloody sword reflection. is it possible that they nerfed it for UK theaters? or maybe i'm just desensitized.
I watched it yesterday so I can finally comment in the thread.Honestly, this movie was really good. I'm glad we didn't get another Boxtrolls. I don't have much problem with all the Portland stuff other than the fact that it really feels like they were just rushing through it to get to the Wildwoods as fast as possible. For the movie to actually start. The whole movie actually just feels really fast, for better or worst. There's definitely a lot of times where you thinking 'wow, you really need to let this moment breathe for a second,' and the movie goes 'we don't have TIME, NIGGER!" Which makes it strange that they dedicated like, four minutes to the coyote overacting. You coulda cut that, my man.I get the complaint that the main character looks like they're 32, and that's a failure of the art director, but it's also clearly an intentional choice that just didn't work out, and most of the characters are animals or weird Dúnedains anyway.It's very Narnia, I'm surprised that more people aren't making that connection to it. The Dowager is very clearly, like, the White Witch, to the point where Pru even points out that she's not gonna fall for her tricks, and then falls for her tricks super hard. It certainly gave me flashbacks.Overall, I think I'd actually make the controversial ranking that this is their second best movie. Or at least a very strong third. Coraline and Paranorman are still very strong, but Paranorman is carried by it's third act.>>156050398It's not that bad, but it's also not, like, Disney. A guy gets his eyes gouged out. There's a decapitation later. Three dudes get shot. It never shies away from violence. If I was still a teen, I could see myself loving how it doesn't patronize me. These dudes are fighting for their lives.
>>156024417I wanted it to be so much better then it was. Looked like cgi more then stopmotion and none of the characters or story beats stuck out to me. They had a lot of violence but nothing ever really felt "creepy" or "surreal".
>>156050533No, not Dúnedains, Dunlanders. The other ones. Bandit King is pretty much just Thrydan Wolfsbane, but good.
>>156040553>>156035465these
>>156050617Has science gone too far, or not far enough?
Found this fan art in the style of animation mock up for the book back in 2015https://www.behance.net/gallery/30161733/Wildwood
I liked it alright. Didn't like everyone having eyebags. Kind of felt like it should have been split into two films to help pacing. I can see this being someone's lifetime obsession.
>>156024417Is it better than the other laika films?
>>156041115>>156041284i'd accuse you of "popular thing bad" but i doubt you've even seen it dont hurt yourself reaching that hard for the contrarian stick
>>156024417Just saw it. Everything on a technical level is a 10/10 for me, especially the ending fight scene. It's honestly one of the most beautiful animated movies I've seen, full stop, and I admire and love that about it. That being said, I thought the story was alright. I was kinda disappointed by how the world of the woods wasn't exactly set up, in terms of each section/faction having time to be explored. Also maybe I missed something, but I felt like the reason literally everyone was at each others throats was also little hard to understand (seemed like it was mainly about dowager trying to fuck everything up to get her son back).
>>156051804The Ivy needed more explanation. Because it's asleep but it also protects the Wildwoods from outsiders? But it destroyed that entire civilization? But also Prue can control it because I dunno, it drinks blood? But Dowager also thinks she can control it with a blood sacrifice? We needed a wise druid to explain that more.
>>156024417I want to hear Alexandra's Lullaby again so badly, but it's still not released anywhere
>>156051872>But also Prue can control it because I dunno, it drinks blood?because she has the blood of a child born of magic
>>156051804And honestly I found Prue to be the weakest part, she's very uninteresting aside from her motivation to save her brother, for the most part she just says a lot of sarcastic lines, and is told she's "special" by a couple of characters, just cause (I know she was born with the help of magic, but it's still a lame thing to add. It's nice she was pretty resourceful in a lot of scenes though. Some of her dialogue feels like it from forspoken, with how ironic and detached she is, and its weird because she has no reaction to talking to that giant bird when she's in the car, but calls the mystics hippies and >so, they talk to a tree? in that meta ironic way where it's like the writers saying "look, we know it's stupid!". Other than her and the Akwafina rat, most of the characters are pretty good, but some have way too little screen time/presence. I literally forgot about the governor and his assistant, they're like an after thought near the end of the film to tie everything up, which sucks because I found them charming and fun to watch. I don't have that many problems with the movie though, in fact, my favorite part was how violent it could be. Lots of death, burning, stabbing, some swears. The coyotes especially looked were fantastic in terms of designs >>156051615better than their last three
>>156051872>But also Prue can control it because I dunno, it drinks bloodThat shit didn't really make sense to me, felt very mary sue
>>156051615Box Trolls and Missing Link? Absolutely.Kubo and Paranorman? Debatably.Coraline? Motherfucker, you know nothing is beating Coraline, why are you even asking?
When I saw the trailers and teasers, I honestly thought the MC was in her 30's. Those eyebags, goddamn
It's great and will flop because people are retarded.
>it's a "Laika pours their blood, sweat, and tears into a script and narrative nowhere near as good as the animation" episode>it's been on repeat for fucking yearsSeriously, it actually infuriates me how much I want them to succeed for their animation but literally no film beside Coraline has ever made me actually care about its cast and what is happening to them. Every time I rewatch one of their films I just watch it for the visuals and don't even think about what is happening in the narrative. I have never wanted to force myself to like a studio's filmography as much as theirs.
>>156051977Okay, but why does the Ivy respond to blood of magic children to begin with?
So am I the only one who dwelled on the plot point that the villain made a literal sentient robot and this just goes basically ignored? Also why the fuck were the parents selfish enough to have a second child when tbey fully understood what would happen to it?
>>156052225because the magic ivy's bullshit was part of the dowager governess' witchcraft plan
3 days and still no camrip? I guess people really don't care about this movie
>>156052288>Also why the fuck were the parents selfish enough to have a second child when tbey fully understood what would happen to it?They said they didn't expect to have another. Both looked like they were nearing 50. Dad was rawdogging his wife thinking they were both past pregnancy.
>>156049211Wait, so Curtis doesn't stay in the Wildwood in the movie? I guess Laika is serious about not doing any sequels and that plot point would have been too much of a downer.
>>156052347It was an accident but I dunno, man, if a witch told me that my infertile wife was gonna have two kids, and I already had one kid, I don't know if I'd keep rawdogging that. The witch clearly knows what she's talking about.
>>156049460The thing is that I actually enjoy the three examples you gave.>Never saw the Boxtrolls, but judging by the .gif, the crossdressing is played for laughs>The fortune tellers from Coraline was something ambiguous that you had to determine based on context clues>ParaNorman is honestly great gay representation, being the first in an animated film and also being a really good punch line for Norman's sister constantly trying to hit on the jock. I remember seeing it in theaters with my parents when ParaNorman first came out and everyone laughed when the boyfriend reveal happened. It was greatMy issue isn't that gay or LGBT things exist in the media I watch, I just want it to have meaning. Thats why I don't mind when Prue's dad says something woke. It has the purpose of informing us about his character.>>156049641You're right, some people just want to make a big deal out of nothing, however it doesn't change the fact that it fels a lot more tacked on than in Laika's previous films.
>>156052403why tf would he stay?probably has a family worried sick about him
>>156052347They looked like they were yuppies in their 30s, have an abortion if you know the child is just going to be brutally killed.
>>156040553The underage drinking too, very disappointing.
>>156052429If I had the chance to stay in a magical fantasy realm, you guys would NEVER hear from me again. Fuck all that 'escapism is bad' nonsense, I would be GONE. No hesitation.
>>156052429At the end of the first book, he stays in the Wildwood because he feels at home with the bandits despite having loving parents and a happy home life. This leads to a major arc of the next two books where his parents are frantically searching the world for any trace of him and his sisters go into the Wildwood looking for him because the little idiot just disappeared without even leaving a post-it note.
>>156049211That was an another reason why I found the movie disappointing, they cut out most of Curtis scene from the book and focused on Prue the most. They couldn't even put him on the official movie poster, he was on the front of the book.
>>156052475You would just leave your family and friends with zero answer though.
>>156052429I'd have a harem of coyote wives till the day I died
>>156050398I mean, the movie cold opens with a suicide, and a lot of the imagery with the coyotes is pretty brutal.I remember the scene where Prue is getting chased by the coyote soldier, only for him to get ran over by the red mail van as being pretty intense. Especially when the coyote seemingly disappears for a few seconds only to practically jumpscare the audience as it attacked Prue, his face half covered in blood.Its PG-13 fits well, but Laika definitely pushes things here and there.
>>156052347>>156052416Still insanely stupid on their part. You're not even gonna wear protection?
>>156052481I think that would make the audience kind of hate him, so I get cutting THAT part out.
>>156039266>>156039335>>156049641I just kinda rolled my eyes at it and moved on, I don't like woke shit in general, but at the very least it didn't have a lot of focus
>>156052481>>156052527Laika also does not like doing sequelsAnyways, MAYBE the books will get adapted as a graphic novel (albeit they'll have more book accurate designs) in case people want a visual medium representation?Comics are like the direct to vhs medium and I say this as a fan
>>156052481This bothered me. The parents called the police over Mac's disappearance, and I'm wondering what they even told them. Prue would have been interrogated for hours, choppers would have been hovering over the woods, etc.Prue also insists her dad can't go with her, but she could have pulled him in as she did with Curtis. I know I'm overthinking it, but at least try to cross with a squad of gun-carrying cops. I realize after typing this that a hippy family from Portland isn't super pro-police lol
>>156049211i should have suspected this was a book series. that makes everything make so much more sense now. im going to go read the books now. im assuming the books also cover the governess grooming that poor fucker a lot more too? Because i feel like that is a tiny *hint* of a plotline that gets dropped *really* fast
>>156052565>Comics are like the direct to vhs medium and I say this as a fanwhat does that make webcomics?
Movie has blood and gore but felt less disturbing then Coraline, the violence felt like something they did not to show the brutality of the world (that they never develop) but to seem "mature" compared to other animated films.
>>156031611>This feels like a common trapping with passion projects that are in production for so long. Its like the ideas have been stewing in the directors head for so long he just keeps adding more and more to the plot.what's weird is that it's based on a book, so I was hoping it would just stick to whatever story was in it. Have no idea how faithful it was though
>>156052515Ain't no condoms going to protect them from magic.
>>156052593Coraline similarly had several elements that diverged from the book. Their adaptations are "primarily" inspired by the source material but never a straight 1:1 retelling.
>>156052648And most of the time, that's good. What works in one medium doesn't necessarily work for another. This time tho sounds like it was a bit of a mess.
I'm glad she died, but even her death scene kinda sucked. Way to sappy and weird right in the middle of the battle
>>156052762I don't know I thought it was really kind of all the coyotes to see this easy target that was right in the open among the combat and let him have a heart to heart with his rat.Also they knew she had to sacrifice the baby at the alter, why not have people wait there to ambush her?
Hows it looking in the boxoffice?
>>156052820You can't have a bunch of people ambush the big villain; they'll just cut them down like fodder to show everyone how strong they are. You know how it works. It's magic.
>>156052827Bad. It's looking to be one of Laika's worst preforming films.
>>156024417I personally like Prue's design and believe the eyebags accentuate the lonely burden she carries in rescuing Mac from imminent sacrifice. She's desperate and tireless. (yes i'm ignoring that previous anon's point that she could've probably pulled someone else in with her... I think blaming it on time concerns is plausible)
>>156052581As in specifically adapting a story into a webcomic because it's cheaper than a film or even a printed comic?I dunno, billboard signs?My point is that comics are go-to for adapting things into another medium (that is visual) because they're cheap and not complicated They can still be good don't get me wrongThere are plenty of solid comics adapting novels and I'll outright say some of them are genuinely some of the best adaptations of the source material period but let's not kid ourselves
>>156052820>Also they knew she had to sacrifice the baby at the alter, why not have people wait there to ambush her?IIRC it's because they wanted the granny to talk to Alexandra and "find the good in her" which is retarded and the real reason was for Prue and Alexandra to have a 1-1
>>156052891Genuinely, why?
>>156052930the average NPC views anything animated as lesser content
>>156024417i wonder if og fans (it’s actually an animated adaptation of a novel) love this movie..
>>156052947Saw someone on Xitter complain how the movie's writing added quips that weren't there in the books
>>156052930not "THING I RECOGNIZE!!!", pg-13 animated feature
>>156052820>>156052902I looked up spoilers for the booksIn the last one her spirit comes back, is one with the ivy, and gets talk no jutsu'd by her son (yeah he's back, still mechanical)
>>156052965That was also my gripe with the movie. There was too much "errrm, actually" going on.
>>156052930It also just looks like a pretty dark and harrowing film. People don't want that in their fiction right now. They want wonder and hope and escapism. All anyone can talk about is how bloody it is and every trailer makes it look deathly serious.
>baby brother gets kidnapped by crows (very clearly a scary/intense scene) >chase scene happens >rock music playing what the fuck?
>>156052886>cut them down like fodderI had to read that twice because I thought you wrote "cut them down like toddlers".
>>156053107>put my brother down!!!>crows drop the baby from 150ft>DON'TPUTMYBROTHERDOWN!
>>156052985Sounds like it becomes retarded past tbe first, many such cases. Why the fuck did Laika think this was worthy of being adapted, I never heard of this shit ever prior to this film.
I wish Laika would put a fraction of the time they put into their animation into their writing. Fucking gorgeous and honestly daring movie, a pg-13 stop motion film that has a serious story is an anomaly
Can someone explain how the animal hierarchies work, the more I think about the less it makes sense. Why are seemingly all coyotes and crows subserviant to the queen for example? The sole animal we see of either species betray her was purely out of cowardice, he would have ran at any point if given the option and only helps because he was forced to. There's also stuff that feels weirdly inconsistent, like how all animals but crows seem to exist on a human level, we never see a crow demonstrate speech despite all other birds seen can. You can't even give the "they're dumb animals" justification.
>>156053529just don't tink about it m'kay
>>156053472Laika is a double edged sword, as a pet project of nepo babies any kind of failure is irrelevant but because of this they never write with any kind of heart or soul because they never actually get emotional about their films. Box Trolls and Early Man convinced me their scripts see a fraction as much investment as the animation.
>>156053529You don't want to be a race traitor, do you? If all the coyotes or crows join the queen, you better get in line.
>>156053135I mean, that is her plan.
>>156039967You're an idiot but also I don't entirely disagree.I'm fine with them CG-ing out the seams on the faces or the stands for the figurines, but basically every behind-the-scenes footage of the film involves doing everything on a big blue screen. The skies, water, and explosions are all CG, and so many of the characters are composited into the scenes instead of physically on the miniature set. At a certain point, all of these things work to undermine the impressive actual stop-motion work you're doing. Stop motion is at its absolute best when everything you're seeing is captured in-camera. For me, it's half the point of the medium.
I don't like the hag-ifying of young protagonists, so no
>>156054127Lil bro just you wait till you realize how many characters were full on cgi since The Boxtrolls at least lole.
>>156050325It's not just that. She looks 30. Violet is an example of a girl with eyebags that still looks cute
>>156025070I'm kinda wondering if this wasn't made by asians now...everybody knows they wish they were white.
>>156054205This looks significantly worse, like she's fucking 50 and trying to pretend she's still young
>>156054270t. shoe man
>>156054205You're outta your mind, you just like Violet.
>>156028940>B-b-b-b-but little kids won't want to see our movie if some celebs they don't know or care about aren't in it, speaking in their normal voice instead of actually voice acting! And everybody knows the more money you blow making a movie, the more money said movie is GUARANTEED to bring in, right? ...right?
>>156054191based retard
>>156054270Wow...I was the only one talking about Violet's old-lady face when that movie was new. Everyone else was gooning over her. You can probably still find my posts in desu.
My only problem with this movie was the pacing and Curtis.Other than that, it's great
>>156054205That looks way worse. Not that I don't think Violet is cute mind you.
>>156053583Early Man isn't made by Laika, it's made by Aardman
>>156054730I always confuse it and Missing Link for some reason.
>>156052288Ah ah. Its a literal sentient robot that decides to off itself by pulling its own magical heartbeat gear out of its chest while standing naked on a balcony so it can fall and crush itself on the cobblestones below. All because it discovered it wasn’t a real boy.Why would you need to know more information about that? Heck, its not like the gear was taken then disappeared from the movie or something.
>>156024417No, because I'm autistic as fuck and there's too much social stigma around 30-something men going to animated movies.
>>156054205>Barbara Stanwick and I used to take the trolley!
Coyote bad guys have WW1 bolt action mauser rifles and catapult artillery not to mention tactical high ground advantage. Should be able to steam roll an enemy composed of sword and shield Scots sheep herders and Irish farmers. Commander decides to send the bulk of his riflemen to engage in close combat with an enemy using their bayonets at the mercy of sword and shield thus removing all tactical advantage. Evil duchess lady could've used her crow minions to sacrifice baby a lot quicker and easier too lol
>>156055606Bro, I saw this movie while wearing a Hatsune Miku jacket; you worry too much about what people might think of you.
>>156054270
>>156055805I thought they used muskets, not bolt action rifles?
>>156056323they're breech loading rifles, not muskets we also see the piddock mansion guys have single action revolvers as well so they're pretty securely in late 19th century tech-wise
>>156031679Same
Were there any kids in your showing who giggled at Alexei's buttocks?
I for one think the baggy eye loli is cute. Anyone who's not a bot should be able to to tell the difference between an art style that's unusual and an art style that is maliciously ugly.
One fan's reviewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDfVcXYAT8U
>>156024870>>156025070One of my friends is half Vietnamese yet looks completely white
>>156052762Awkwafina's in this movie? I ain't gonna watch it.
>>156028784socialists...turn profit...lol.
>>156026312This is pretty much my view. Visually/technically amazing, work of art. Narratively, too much going on, bit of a mess. She comes back to the woods, teleports straight to the Mystics. Wake up you're not dreaming cliche 90% of the way through the film. World felt too big to be coherent for one film, exact opposite of what Coraline/Boxtrolls does so well, making a comparatively smaller theater of action (household/township) come to life so much more expansively. Also, bandits/Mystics could have just been one faction, her going to that tree felt like an unnecessary detour for information that could have been gotten elsewhere.>>156055830>we are a proud and ancient people>composed of a representative sample of every ethnicity on earth
>>156024417i thought it was bad, eyeballtank
>>156056804I really don't like this guy. I like that Ed painting though
>>156024417>Check when it's out>December 9th in Belgiumhuh
>>156032228Why is this like secret knowledge on /co/, I thought this place was full of animation enthusiasts.
>>156057956It's clearly not.
>>156052566Liberals and hippies adore police when it servce them. Same with blacks. The 2010's anti cop protests where funny as hell>WE HATE COPS DEFUND POLICE>pedestrian they harass fights back>CALL THE POLICE CALL THE POLICE!
>>156052820Not a lot of good spots at that altar for an ambush.
>>156057956Lol, next your going to tell me /v/ has video game enthusiasts
>>156049460>>156052422>The fortune tellers from Coraline was something ambiguous that you had to determine based on context cluesThey were a pair of retired theater actors, spinsters living together for companionship and to save money. Essentially the female Stadler and Waldorf.
>>156057940what the hell
>>156058865That's the impression I got too. It didn't seem like there was a moment in the movie where they showed any attraction to each other.
>>156056618No but I snickered at it for a moment.
>>156028914the adult women who worked on the team thought she was too sexy and they had to tone her down because they saw a doll as sexual competition
>>156060955>why isn't the 12 year old sexy
>>156061165>why did women see a 12yo doll as sexual competition and make her look like she was in her 40s
>>156061242>pedo invents scenario to make himself mad over
>>156061249>he doesn't know>also doesn't know the definition of pedophileopinion discarded
>>156061283>erm a-ackshually I'm an ephebophileI accept your concession, slit your wrists
>>156061303>tries to deflect being wrong by being wrong again>uses leddit lineDo you do anything right?
>>156061363Buddy nobody gives a fuck about the cope titles you pedos give yourselves>r-r-reddit!!!you couldn't fit in less if you tried
>>156061524>cope>literal scientific distinctions created by decades of research>talking about not fitting in while being anti-loli on /co/ of all placeSo you are actually retarded this isn't just you doing it on purpose?At least you are being consistent with being wrongTits or gtfo
>>156042676I don't buy that since we see the name on the cup before we even hear it spoken. It would end up being a retroactive gag. And having it actually be spelled like that would fit the setting (Portland) along with the trope of "weird dork"
>>156061677>I don't buy thatanon the proper spelling is literally on his character card >>156049211
>>156028914Characters actually should have been uglier. With animation this smooth, you need something else to communicate the fact it's stop motion. Like how in Kubo and the Two Strings, everything was origami-esque
>>156024417it was boring and generic nothing like my bae coraline
>>156061693Still a dumb gag, especially when there's almost no other visual gags like that in the movie
I really liked it. As someone who animates, I appreciate the work that's gone into it
>>156061694That is what is missing, you either make them beautiful or you make them ugly in a fun way
the explosions from the flaming tebuchet ammunition during the faceoff were not practical, right? absolutely cgi?
>>156055805They had needle rifles from the Franco-Prussian War if you look closely enough.
>>156062447You can gamble on only one or two characters in a given scene being plastic 3d printed puppets made to match the rest of the pure cgi movie and then edited in post anyway to look exactly like the rest of the cgi stuff.
>>156062903based retard
>>156062930You could just look at the behind the scenes stuff. At this point it is just 3d printing plastic shit to create more garbage for the sake of creating more garbage and being legally artsy and stop motion.
>>156062969I worked for them for 9 months, you're a retard
>>156052481>sees his friend and her parents go frantic over the loss of her brother>imparts this pain to his own loving family members deliberately good god. you'd have to be a mastermind writer to pull that one off
>>156055805crow minions would have been mogged by the birds, better to handle things yourself
Prue a shit
I want to have rough degrading sex with Maxim
If I had to watch thid with a movie before or after, should I watch this first or second?
>>156063089Well you see Curtis is a moron
>>156063089Oh boy
>>156066302Uh, first, I guess, cause it's pretty long.
>>156065236sameI wanna make him yelp and howl
>>156045887I mean the majority of /co/ are furfags so no
>>156045887It'd be weird if you didn't
I need screenshots of Prue in pajamas. Especially the shorts.
>>156028784Get people to advertise their movies for a change. It's like nothing outside of Dreamworks and Disney ever gets any form of notice from the general public.
>>156031763Portland would literally be my favorite city if it wasn’t for the homeless problemSucks going to the park downtown and just seeing so many homeless how do we fix it?
>>156069303You go back in time to 2008 and assassinate fred armisen so he doesn't put at that fuckass show that made it a trendy town to move to
>>156069316I think if I went back to 2008, trying to stop the recession getting as bad as it did would probably do way better for the current state of Portland + the country as. a whole But damn did I love how this movie portrayed Portland. It really makes me want to go back. Seeing Mt. Hood, Powell’s and the Trolley to Hillsboro made me happier than I’d like to admit.
>>156062447Has Laika done practical fire effects in their films? I'm coming up black on remembering if Paranorman or Kubo had fire scenes.
>>156063881rude
>>156062447There were a few shots in the movie that looked like they had digital effects to me, but given the sheer scope of the movie I can't exactly blame them, the presentation was generally excellent.
>>156024417the magic of stop motion is the imperfection, that you can see the fingerprints on it, but leikas stuff became so industrialized and sterilized that it look like cgi with a filter on it. and the movie fell too much like disneys crappy life action alice in wonderland.
>>156053529You're thinking too hard.
>>156025474>There were times where it was a little self-indulgent,I think this is my biggest complaint. The movie was actually gratuitous to a point that it rubbed me the wrong way. I appreciate the craft of stop-motion and the absurd dedication, but there were times during the big fight scene where I just wondered what the point was. I usually appreciate spectacle for spectacle's sake, but there's so much computer compositing going on that the effect is somewhat lost at that scale. It was like the Michael Bay of stop motion films; at some point my brain just shut off.Like, yeah, we know if you're a nepo baby with a studio with infinite time and money, you can achieve insane things, but that definitely resulted in some shallowness here. Probably could have cut 20 minutes or so and been better off.>>156070605>leikas stuff became so industrialized and sterilized that it look like cgi with a filter on itI had the same thought. Everything was so smooth it started to feel uncanny. There are some scenes where the mouth movements in particular felt like I was just looking at a real mouth superimposed on a model.I still love the movie and think it's an amazing accomplishment, but I wouldn't mind seeing Laika scale back for their next release.
>>156071595>at some point my brain just shut offThat sounds like a your brain problem
I think stop-motion films should have no computer clean up. Show me all the wires and rigs and stuff.
>>156052174I'm actually offended that it opened to such pitiful numbers. Opening weekend was just $11 million domestically? Third place? Really?
>>156071643Nah, the story was basically over at that point, and it was clear Laika was just showing off. I've got no problem with showing off, I just think there are better ways to do it than compositing a bajillion stop-motion soldiers into a giant scene where everything gets muddled. At some point, it's more about the computers than the stop motion, and it genuinely becomes less impressive than a more "simple", straightforward scene, like the giant bird flight. I find even a lot of the stuff around Portland or in her house was more impressive, composition-wise.Like there are interviews about the final battle scene where Travis Knight is talking about how they had someone specifically to keep track of the cuts and scrapes on Pru's hands for "maximum realism", but that makes me realize he's starting to lose the plot. "Realism for realism's sake" is one of the most shallow things you can hope to achieve in any style of animation. And the problem is that Knight has already proven he can do it. Increasing the scale of it isn't as impressive, in my opinion. All it proves is that he has a lot of time and money and nobody to answer to.Have we not already learned that creativity flourishes better under limitations? Nothing about the big battle scene was "creative". It was just a blunt instrument. There's an alternate world where this movie never got completed, and it's the "cobbler and the thief" of stop motion.>>156071743Movies are dead in general, so there's no way this was ever going to be more than a blip.
>Attacks AI.>Has woke shit in it. >Defenders of this movie are physically threatening people if they don't see it. >Movie flops.Will Vinton finally got his revenge.
I haven't seen people anywhere else complaining about the eye bags. Is this an autism thing? It seems pretty obvious to me that it's meant to reflect something intentional about the characters that have them, which seems like good character design to me. Even if it doesn't look perfect and smooth like a Disney character.
>>156071878>Movies are dead in generalSay it ain't so!
>>156070605>>156071595This is an opinion I’ll probably be shit on for, but I think stop-motion like this sorta misses the point entirely and I’m not really a fan. So much of this movie is CGI that it might as well just be CGI>but it looking like CGI is a testament to how masterfully the animators have advanced this art formMy argument isn’t that it’s not masterful, it’s absolutely an impressive and incredibly accomplished feat. But I like seeing “homemade” aesthetics. When half of the effects feel like CGI, all of the character pieces were CGI 3D-printed smoothed-out pieces to begin with, and everything is this level of polished, it just loses that appeal that makes the artform impressive to the naked eye. Like I’m very impressed, but I don’t find this level of polish nearly as visually interesting as other stop-motion movies.
I thought it was kinda stupid how Prue just rushes headfirst into the LITERAL BLOODY WARSCENE and comes out unscathed aside from the coyote general rushing after her
>>156071743It fought against two movies that were just as well received and had wider appeal. Also, this movie is distributed by Fathom, not by their older partners that gave them wide releases. All things considered it performed better than expected.
>>156073234I think this sentiment is present among even people who like the movie. I thought the movie was great, and I've never seen anything else like it, but this is basically just criticism specifically for Laika, which seems to be turning into its own private stop-motion industry with effectively zero accountability.One of the biggest driving factors in stop-motion is the passion of the creator, but Laika is in the unique position of being able to find the tipping point of that. I won't accuse Travis Knight of being "passionless", in fact it's quite obviously the opposite. It's just that he's got access to so many resources that he's starting to outweigh his own passion with them, and is in danger of becoming "soulless" as a result.
>>156071905why do people put will vinton and his studio on a pedestalI grew up in portland when he was still around and all you ever heard if you were in an artistic field was to never work for them, he was infamous for being awful to his employees and was ousted from the taken over studio because he refused to produce anything after he was bought out
>>156071968I love the eye bags
>>156074361That makes sense when you put it that way.
>>156024417A movie like that literally never gets made with the genders reversed. the plot is about a girl rescuing her borther, when was the last tiem we saw a male character rescue a female character in a modern animated movie? like 30 years ago?all the impotant tough characters are female or none white but literally every white guy is weak or emasculated.When was the last time we saw a movie with competent and confident male heroes and female characters that were comic relief and losers?
>>156075887Why do you need them?
>>156075887>When was the last time we saw a movie with competent and confident male heroes and female characters that were comic relief and losers?ray gunn
saw it last nightplot wasn't anything too special but there were several points where my eyes started to sting with pre-tears just from the spectacle of how much artistic effort and passion went into the movie
>>156076138lol no in the trailer alone he has to be rescued by the blond girl character and she has all the action scene as well>>156075898equality. woman have gotten more and more seixst as a result and society is shit because of their entitelment and sexist attitude
>>156076204>b-buh traiwerdon't care retard
I found out that my local theaters are charging extra to see it for some reason, which they usually only do for classic film screenings, and then I found out that the movie is basically CGI with some 3D printing sprinkled in.
>>156076257>and then I found out that the movie is basically CGI with some 3D printing sprinkled in.it isn't
Yikes
>>156076300it isn't?
>>156075887>“Women are the best judges of anything we turn out. Their taste is very important. They are the theatergoers; they are the ones who drag the men in. If the women like it, to heck with the men.” - Walt fucking disney
>>156076479No, there's scene compositing for things like the giant battle at the end since those giant clumps of fighting models would be impossible to reach but they really did sculpt and print and hand animate 3k different puppets for the movie, go watch the adam savage video they go into length how they had to design new types of maquettes and armatures for certain characters to address limitations of the traditional wire ones, and new rigs to have things like musculature adjusting as arms extend and flex
>>156076656its funny to imagine them scrambling to make 200 pointless puppets just so no one calls them out on it, like faking the moon landing
>>156076642Damn, the big kpop discographies say the same shit lmao
>>156076257Who told you this to begin with? There is some digital effects like fire, and some of the compositing, but it's clearly still a largely practically made movie.
how do they make the models look so good? i have tickets for this for friday, hopefully nothing else will impact my freetime before seeing it
I loved the charlie day bitch fest at the end
>>156077421I was stonefaced through most of it but him pulling his leg into the standing split to show he was in pain was pretty good
>>156076352I wonder how they feel about their most famous movie being attached to Neil Gaiman.
>>156076257Because this movie is being distributed by the same guys that do those expensive re-releases instead of an actual studio.
>>156024417I've never heard of this movie outside of /co/
>>156024417It has potential, but was a bit of a let down. Didn't like the weird liberal parents, satanic gypsy lady, beta male love interest that doesn't get the girl, lack of traditional family structure, ineffectual White male politician, minority bandits that are actually the good guys, sodomite couple, or unflattering art style for the girl but other than that it was a decent rip off of Labyrinth and Narnia that unfortunately failed to reach the heights of either of the superior movies it was quite heavily borrowing from.
>>156076257locally it's around the same ticket price for a majority of films outside clayface
>>156025721They should've had the balls to just give her panties.
>>156051874That moment and how she does funny faces to calm down the very infant she had planned on sacrificing just sold her as a villain for me.It's blatantly clear that she WAS and CAN be a good mother and a good person outright but her grief locked her priorities to do something as heinous as what she about to do.Not even out of sadistic pleasure or anything, she genuinely seemed to like what little time she had with Mac even if she accepted she had to kill him
>>156028191Oh, that reminds me I also wasn't impressed with the inclusion of Aquafina. Much like Seth Rogen, Zendaya, Chalomet, Pedro Pascal, Tom Holland, Sidney Sweeney, and Eric Andre they just sort of ruin the movie for me and always give me the impression they got the job because of their connections rather then any talent. It was a rather inoffensive performance by her, but I think it would've been better if they had been a sort of Winnie the Pooh kind of old English guy
>>156028952This kind of talking point is ridiculous.
>>156032380It's when they're gearing up for the battle you see a man and woman kiss before he heads off to the battle, then you see a wolf person couple doing the save things, then a 40 something White man and black dude making out for like 30 seconds.
>>156032861That's how you wind up with rats the size of coyotes. Cities are against nature and only exist so you can run away from your family to do drugs and sodomy
>>156035045I found her to be ripoff of Lucy Gray from the Hunger Games. When she started signing I was like: "is this really happening?"
The turtles slowly transporting crates labelled 'URGENT' made me chuckle
>>156035061> Kurtis felt like a much better protagonistI wish they had a dynamic more like the vibes I get from pic related. Like a boy and girl who know each other from school and maybe both like each other that get pulled into an adventure together and kind of gradually fall in love. Something like Daniel and Ali from Karate Kid or Brian and Kiersten from Little Monsters
>>156037731If they're going to be like that then they should portray it accurately. Putting all the woke stuff in but then acting like it doesn't result in a bunch of litter and homeless is ridiculous. Heck, the idea that a couple of liberal hippies could afford a 1,400 sqft house and two children just by selling some handmade crafts at a farmers market once a month is outright harmful.
>>156078625>Thieves & KingsGood taste Anon
>>156037972I agree that felt really tacked on and also like both the governor and owl were very brief characters it was easy to forget about. They didn't really explain if the dowager governess was formerly in charge before the Alexei stuff came out, how he came into power (like, he's a governor. Did they depose a democratically elected official because he wasn't sure how to handle an outsider and his assistant was fussy) how does she know the bandit leader will be a good leader? Because he's black? Why are the bandits good guys? No one's stopping then from farming. There's thousands of acres of unclaimed land up for grabs. Why does the dowager governess have a buck of excess food? Does she make the coyote army farm for her? It would make more sense if they raided the farm town, but then you couldn't portray them as the good guys. Why do the coyotes even listen to her? It would make sense if she used magic to make them like people but then the other animal people don't make sense. What was up with her "dark coven" was she already a witch or did she fall in with them? Where were the other ones? Why was it wildly illegal to make a clockwork boy? All things that weren't really explained unfortunately either due to condensing the plot or because they didn't think about it
>>156038159It's not like they're bad. They just need a little tweaking and they could be the next Disney. Definitely need to distance themselves from Hollywood sensibilities, though
>>156039573I don't buy it, especially when most of the fantasy people are animals. It's not like the fantasy humans are really attractive, all the people look the same. I honestly think it was a combination of not being and to make the faces look good with the animatronics underneath and not wanting people to think the main girl was too cute.
>>156040413If they can make this without CGI there's no excuse: https://youtu.be/DpefYPLH67A
>>156046516Art isn't supposed to be grotesque or indistinguishable from reality
>>156025474>oh... and the movie took 16 YEARS TO MAKE.Just weak cope. There's a reason none of us have such emotion when it comes to tards like GRRM taking decades to finish a book. It's just fanboys trying to justify a slowass production.
>>156049641Any is wrong. You wouldn't be saying the same thing is the characters had a scene where you see them in church or something "just for a second" you'd be throwing a whole fit.
>>156051977How come Alexi is an abomination but Prue isn't? I honestly was hoping it would turn out her kid didn't die and ended up being Prudence's Dad
>>156079174Alexi was a robot made through dark magic and he was horrified by the truth Kind of curious how the books justified bringing him back
>>156052515I would've appreciated a scene where they say: "we were so careful, we have no idea how it happened?" and then we see a cutaway of them at Coachella or Bonnaroo obviously inebriated and about to hook up. >>156052527I think it could've worked if they played it right, but it would have to be something you don't dwell on. Like you see him start to have a coming of age journey and really thriving there then at the end they have to hurry through an opening in the Ivy before it closes to get back and at the last second he pulls back and stays while Prue yells for him but it's too late
>>156053387Because it's set in Portland and Laika is in Portland and liberals who live on the coasts think being a liberal who lives on the coast is the neatest thing ever. I guess I can't complain because write what you know but I do because when your market is saturated you have to have some self awareness
>>156053529I really feel like they should've had a Jim Henson moment where Prue runs into a talking Raven and thinks it's one of the crows and he's all like: "I'm not a crow, I'm a Raven you dreadful girl! Uh, awful things, really. They're so small and stupid. Dangle a little bit of magic infront of them and they'll do whatever you want" then he could've followed her around being her Coraline cat/Hoggle The coyotes should've been regular animals that she turned humanoid when magic. We could've seen one disobey and anger her then get turned back into a regular coyote to show why they all have to listen to her
>>156060955This is exactly why it happened
>>156079198Yeah but all of the humans basically lynch her over it as though it's their largest taboo
>>156024417Never heard of it
>>156078004
easily the fourth-best laika film ever made
>>156024417I can't remember the last time I left a movie theater wanting to see the movie again as soon as possible. I'm determined to see it again while it's still in theaters.Fuck modern Hollywood trying to feed us slop when we have the technology and the talented people to make shit like this.
>>156079086Wrong
>>156079553Yes, it doesn't matter how long you force your propaganda it's not going to work.
>>156079599I disagree. Also, no one is going to fall for the: "it's just this one, everything gets it's turn!" when we've learned it's actually: "we're just going to do only this forever and gradually begin acting like not doing so is a crime."
>>156079964retard
>>156024417it's so portland libshit it's infuriating.come to our magical fantasy realm which has existed since time immemorial. we have european city, european cottagecore village, and european ruins. don't worry, gays and people of color are also included! and they talk to the trees. what? native americans? don't worry about it. we have a character voiced by A Native, is that good enough for you? she gets less screentime than awkwafina rat but at least she talks to the plants and the trees because harmony with nature. also for some reason our fantasy city is choked with bureaucracy and has homeless people, because it's Portland!>>156046090what bounty that we have not one, but TWO animated coyote boyfailures this year. i wish there was more of him getting beaten up...is it just the destiny of animated coyotes to be brutalized? a group of them even fell off a cliff in this movie.
They had to make Curtis ugly otherwise people would enjoy the Governess grooming him too muchdidn't stop me though
>>156079198Oh, this is based on a book? I didn't even know that, explains why it felt so large, a real epic.
I loved the Coyotes and Crows. Thought the villains were sick as hell. Been too long since we've had bad guys who feel like threats.
>>156081390severe lack of stacked femcoyotes in uniform though
Just watched it, I liked it but the part where the girl did the whole "I know you are doing trope" part made me groan. I am glad I was in a presentation with one of the guys that was involved with the CG.>>156032187Jemaine Clement, my man.It's too much of a stretch but now that I think about it Roger reminds me of Nigel, just a bit, though.
>Curtis just spouting "Die!" and "Murder!" when correcting Prue as she's still processing Mac's abduction Just got out of my second viewing and, yeah, this is RIGHT below Coraline for me. LAIKA's second best film. They cut some much-needed fat out of the book to make the story flow better, and I'd say it makes for a solid movie overall. I initially didn't respect Prue enough as an active protagonist 'cause I was too bothered by her plot armor when escaping Pittock Mansion and dodging her way through a literal bloody war, but it's whatever. This was still pretty brutal as far as fairytale-type stories go, so I can roll with it. She united all the different factions and made the tough decisions to deceive her parents in the name of saving Mac. She's a great MC.
STILL the hottest Laika babe
>>156083842For me, it's the sisters from kubo.
>>156083430The ivy pillar environment at the end with Alexandra and her was fucking insane. Imagine how much time and effort that took to move each chunk of leaves.
>>156028379Same bro. I hope my nigga Lurkrow makes some art of her all gravid
>>156077971I have a coworker who mentioned it and called it “the new Tim Burton movie.” I was just happy she knew it existed.
>>156077421it didn't kick in that Day was playing the character until that scene
>>156052566>I'm wondering what they told the policeProbably the truth.>last we saw our daughter, she really wanted to take the baby out someplace, but we told her no>when we got back from the craft fair, they were both goneThis isn’t a lot to go on, but does look like a possible runaway scenario, or a joyride that went south, which it is.Then Prue comes home, but the parents don’t immediately call the police because they sit down and talk to her first. It’s hard to say if they called the police the next morning to update them about Prue’s visit. Then they would have reported that Mac had come home. Probably they would’ve said it was a false alarm, Prue had taken Mac to crash at some lady named Alexandra’s place, everything is fine now and there’s no cause for alarm. There are plenty of police departments that would just leave it at that, unless some particular officer was real curious for some reason. The bigger mess would come from reporters if they suspected there was any story here, but it looks like they avoided getting the media involved. “Girl with hippie parents takes baby brother to crash at other hippy lady’s place. Comes home fine days later” is not newsworthy.
Maybe my expectations were too high but I was disappointed. I think this is tied with Missing Link and Boxtrolls for me at the lower end of the laika list. Paranorman had more charm, wit and spark. I could barely care about any of the characters in Wildwood
I think they should have cut all but two warring factions and it would be a big improvement. Just focus on the witch kidnapping the baby, and have her army fight just one other army, and you’ve got a much tighter story with more room for emotional beats and characterization.
>>156063089I can easily see this as a case of an insecure person thinking that things which apply to other people just don’t apply to them. Obviously the parents of a different missing kid will miss them. But Curtis, a loser who no one cares about, will be better off gone and can’t possibly be missed. Basically, it’s a It’s a Wonderful Life situation.
>>156066302I watched this immediately after Clayface and it was fine.
Figured out why her name was Prue. Everywhere she went nobody wanted to acknowledge the elephant in the room.
>Already have a home media release plannedI feel bad but I can't be too surprised. They barely marketed this, only active animation fans have really been following the movie.
>>156085778Having the contrast between the bandit force and the peaceful Northwoods residents was fun, I would want to keep that. Just collapse the Southwoods and Northwoods folk together. Either have the special tree close to Southwoods or put the seat of government in Northwoods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9stm18DFD08
>>156024870>>156025070>>156043245>>156040497>>156054239A hapa will produce a white child if they mix with a white person. Prue was their biological daughter. The witch just fixed their infertility.
>>156085778>>156087244I disagree about collapsing the factions. Not only do I think having competing multiple factions in the Wild Woods adds texture to the worldbuilding, I submit it also is important narratively. Look at Lord of the Rings: Elves and Dwarves don't get along, even the kingdoms of Gondor and Rohan have bad blood between them, the Ents feel they are above all of the conflicts and try to tend to their trees. It takes the actions of our heroes and the active threat of our antagonists to force these disparate parties to band together, to put aside their differences and defeat evil under a common banner. It is a classic premise, perhaps maybe a bit too optimistic for today's cynical age, but I think it is an important element to the story.I'll agree that the movie just doesn't have the time to establish these factions in desired detail like a book can, but I don't think they did a bad job just establishing the identity of each faction and give us the gist of their deal and relationship with the others.
>>156079444Seriously?
>>156024417The black vikings pissed me off, the villein gave mommy asmr vibes I want to be her good boy
>>156057003>>156024870Genetics can be fucked my grandparents are two darks skinned latinos that married 1 lightskinned latino and a german and I look 90% white. You gotta be a real ethnoguesser to tell I have latin blood
>>156047091>>156046840I guessed around 10 or so, just a tall girl compared to the manlet heeb
>>156028784The governess should have tried to fuck the dude to make a new baby
>>156069303slip a lethal dose of fent into some burgers you give the bums
>>156032084I also remember some dude on dude kiss when the farmers were going to war
>>156057956Because it looks like it has more SOUL than most of the 3D kid sloppa
>>156053387Anon its fantasy slop for kids dont think too hard
>>156069303Give them homes. Actually do something that helps them instead of just decriminalizing it and nothing else.
>>156056618Felt like Chris Hansen was gonna pop out and ask why I was watching boy ass
>>156073851Did she even have a sword or something on her?
>>156077828I was wondering why I saw the fathom logo at the start
Saw it last night. I'm disappointed. I was looking forward to this for years and when it was getting Laika's highest average ratings ever across the board I was ecstatic. So maybe I built it up too much, but I felt almost nothing from the story. The main character was annoying and everyone felt shallow. Suspension of disbelief was difficult. Everything felt contrived and going through the motions. It wasn't TERRIBLE but I wouldn't put it much ahead of Boxtrolls or Link. Not nearly as good as Norman, Kubo or Coraline. One good point is that it basically exposed hippies as selfish jerks who ruin everything.
>>156085213>>156077421Didn't know he played the good dog until this thread
>>156077828from what I heard it's because their usual distributor did not want it to be PG-13 but knight wouldn't budge on it so they found somebody else
>>156080875Female pedos often go for the fat or ugly kids because Boy Chad wants stacy from 5th grade not some cellulite filled teacher if he has his pick
>>156085213>>156090133genuinely how? Day has one voice he does in everything he's very recognizable
>>156085929Because she was a prude and didn't kiss the dude that saved her life?
>>156090158It's been a while since I've watched Its always sunny I guess
>>156052947As a fan of the book I liked it.
Do you think making it cg would’ve made it more money?
>>156080875This was my only complaint with the adaptation was how they toned down how the Dowager Governess manipulates Curtis, which robbed Curtis of a lot of his character. In the book Curtis gets drunk off wine and is manipulated into joining the army after he starts boasting. He ends up getting involved with mild heroics by kicking over a cannon the bandits were using and actually helps the coyotes capture Bandit King. It showed why like the Dowager Governess actually liked him until and showed that he had a heroic soul beneath his fat chud exterior a lot earlier in the story.
>>156090338No, it'd be the same movie with a less pretty artstyle.
>>156024417There are no local screenings in my town or the next city over. Is the release really that niche this time around or does my local theater scene just suck ass?
>>156090825I live in Nebraska and the AMC had one showing, the Alamo had no showings, but the Marcus Theater I usually never go to had a showing every hour. It was the first time I've noticed such a weird discrepancy in showtimes for a new movie.
>>156090967Good luck cornfucker anon
>>156090489She liked him because she wanted his outsider dick
>>156024417What the kind of the movie the is the this?
>>156074406Nobody will ever reply to you because the internet is for ignoring anything that bruises your curated bubble, but this is interesting to hear. I’ve figured people like working for Travis Knight because he’s truly dedicated to an autistic artform and gives you great job security (except for the Kubo guy obviously). Will Vinton prioritized tv commercials to stay afloat, but the creative-driven projects left something to be desired. Mark Twain was purely a curiosity and doesn’t hold a candle to Laika’s movies.
>>156031904I also wondered this but then I saw the bit in the credits putting the eyeballs into the puppet faces.
>>156094251>and gives you great job securitydepends, I know a few people who were working on wildwood art assets who got cut a few months before launch without a word
>>156031679Nah at most it felt like two novellas. Thn movie's entirely adapted from the first book.
Thread's close to the end so I'm just going to say that The Boxtrolls was actually great and I sincerely had no idea that people were so down on it until I heard other people's reactions online.
>>156095317I've never heard of Boxtrolls eitehr
I want the Dowager Governess to spit in my mouth.
Anyone else get funny feelings when Alexandra called Prue beautiful and stroked her cheek and said she was too lovely to sacrifice?
>>156073061That makes no sense, The Odyssey is objectively Nolan's most financially successful film to the point that the antiwoke critics that were spending every single day between the trailer and release day said that it would be financially successful before it released, and Brand new Day broke a lot of records and is one of the few 2 Billion dollar movies,
>>156024417Just got home from seeing it. Saw it because of it being the same team that did Coraline and the trailer looked interesting enough. Didn't know anything else about it going into it.>Jokes mostly landed, especially towards the ending.>Visually the movie was incredible especially in the governor's mansion place and the whole ivy stuff at the end. I could truly see the passion put into it.>Story felt like it told us way too much about the various factions but not enough to really care about anyone outside of the birds. The crows in particular felt exceptionally underdeveloped.>Did not expect them to get as violent as they did, especially letting both kids murk someone.>None of the growing up story with Prue felt like it actually got through via the script that they told. The discussion with hippy dad at the end was one of the instances where it didn't feel like it really made sense to have it happen at all since we barely saw this character development at any point outside of the intro with Curtis.>Same applies to her doubting magic or what she just went through even happened. The entire joke with the old hippy doesn't even really make much sense because for at least two or three days now she's been talking to animals, nearly killed, and more and is explicitly there to save her brother who she believes is about to be sacrificed to some vines.>They didn't even explain why the Dowager Governess even had a coyote army in the first place or why they were willing to die for her unless I missed something.>The entire "magical realm hidden in a forest where everyone is baffled anyone can enter it" thing felt unnecessary. It didn't really add anything to the story whatsoever and is barely even expanded upon why it's hidden or what's going on with it.>In general the story felt like it wanted to be longer in some parts but then spent way too much time on stuff like the actual war so it rushed those parts.
>>156095458Do you think she took Maksim's knot
>>156090098I ain't lookin for no little boys. I ain't got no milk, no cookies, nuthin. I'm lookin for man's butt.
>>156095340>eitehr
>>156096775My autism flaired with the WTF how could anyone get there too.Bruh there was a train track going right in the middle of the entrance
>>156096775>>The entire "magical realm hidden in a forest where everyone is baffled anyone can enter it" thing felt unnecessary.Bro whatDid you want the magical realm of talking animals to just exist next to Portland with no acknowledgement of each other?
>>156098272Either that or make it some secret people in the town keep quiet through some curse. Just give some reason why it even exists.
>>156098388>Every fantastical concept NEEDS an explanation You're the reason why they're making an Aunt Gladys prequel of all things
>>156095317I like it well enough, more than Missing Link and Kubo, but I was still baffled once when I saw someone say it was Laika's best. It just seems impossible when Coraline is right there, near untouchable.
>>156098050It was so ridiculous because at some point there are going to be people magically-inclined on said train and then go from sitting down one minute to falling to the ground from the train the next or even suddenly warping the train directly into the middle of a forest while sitting there causing a derailing regularly.>>156098777It needs one when it's the entire crux of the plot. Its existence at least needs to justify itself why it's there or why it's hidden from humans. You don't even need to go deep with it, just give us something that explains why it's hidden away and only magic-inclined people can enter it when a good third of the inhabitants are humans with no difference at all from the people in Portland five feet away.
Wildweird
>>156087855i wonder whats the sound
>>156099365No, the crux of the plot is the Governess trying to sacrifice a baby to get back her dead child. Everything else isn't as important. All we need to know about the barrier is that it cuts off our heroes from traditional help from the outside world, that's it's narrative function. The whys and hows it works can be expanded upon when it becomes the main focus of the plot, but this movie has a much tighter focus on the characters and their struggles.
>>156024417I'll be seeing it tonight with my brother.
goated movie
