"seed oil misinformation" is a wikipedia page now.
>>22254044Big Tallow can't be trusted
>>22254044Insane how bad the anti-intellectualism craze is becoming. A vast majority of the public genuinely trust tik-tok influencers over scientists
>>22254049Both can be bought as easilly as anyone else.
>>22254051Not as easily as your mom though.
>>22254051Not as easily as ya mum
>>22254049Because credentialism became rampant (trust the experts, etc), and then they started lying to peopleWell, kept lying to people.
>>22254051>as easilly as anyone elsedisagree, idiots on tik-tok can be bought far far more easily
>>22254059>formally study and research a topic for years, publishing novel research papers>somehow that makes you less reliable in the eyes of the unwashed masses than Gary from down the pub who 'did his own research' on wikipedia for a few hours
>>22254049>>22254051>>22254059Case in point kek
>>22254051Sorry retard, tiktok influencers can be bought much more cheaply than scientists to reach many more people than scientists, so people trying to pay to misinform are going to go where they get more bang for their buck. Even from your cynicism-based point of view, scientists are going to be much more trustworthy as an information source.
>>22254075>They routinely publish papers they can't replicate, which is not scientific.>They declassify other reports, revealing they were paid for by some special interest group for a specific result, not to find anything out.I'll take a stranger's anecdote into consideration, but when I see several that coincide, I raise an eyebrow
>>22254081If something is not reliable to replicate then it's mentioned in the papers, typically under the "limitations" section of those papers you've never read.
>>22254083I've read a fair few of themThe ones that weren't behind paywalls, anywayWhich I find odd
>>22254081>but when I see several that coincide, I raise an eyebrowMmm, a.k.a you value easily digested, inflammatory social media posts and anecdotes that suit your anti-intellectual biases over long, boring and dry research that you don't read and immediately dismiss
>>22254085You probably found half the terms in the papers odd. Keep following your favorite tiktoker for your life advice, I'm not trying to convince you, just make fun of you.
>>22254087Did you just make up a whole fanfiction based on something I said>>22254088I don't have a TikTok, I'm not on there> I'm not trying to convince you, just make fun of youok
>>22254089Anyone can lie to you dummy, scientists are just the least likely to for several reasons that you handwave so you can feel smart.
>>22254090>Anyone can lie to you dummy, scientists are just the least likely to for several reasonsYeah, this is not news.I just don't take a scientist's word as gospel like I did when I was in my 20sI'll look into datasets, control, any conflicting professional opinions, confirmable anecdotes etc>that you handwave so you can feel smartWhy do you keep making things up about me
>>22254097Nobody takes scientist word as gospel, they just reasonably assume it's probably true if the scientific consensus points to a particular viewpoint.>I'll look at all of these things that scientists and their papers take into accountMaybe you're smart enough to realize that you're not even a fraction as good as scientists are at those tasks within their field of specialty, but probably not.
>>22254100I should say nobody outside of actual 60-IQ literal retards who hold any viewpoint without critical thinking anyway, before you point to one person ever, but these people are in the extreme minority and are the exception that proves the rule.
>>22254100>scientific consensusYeah but science isn't based on consensus, so I don't really care about this>>22254100>Maybe you're smart enough to realize that you're not even a fraction as good as scientists are at those tasks within their field of specialty, but probably not.This is literally the "trust the expert" bullshit that I rejectYou also have no idea what my background is
>>22254104>You also have no idea what my background isBy virtue of the amount of years any one person has on this earth, your background cannot be a current-knowledge expert in multiple specialized areas of scientific study, so no, retard, you will not be even a fraction as good as scientists who are research experts in their field at those tasks. The fact that you're trying to fight me on my "you're not as good at this as people who spend their entire lives researching it" point tells me that everything I've said was correct and you're just a handwaving retard who wants to feel smarter than he is.
Was 2018 really when this all started?
>>22254106>you're just a handwaving retard who wants to feel smarter than he isAgain with the fanfictionNo, I just don't "trust the expert" like you seem toI'll verify it tooYou don't really need expertise to do that
>>22254106you're trying way too hard
Let me guess, soon there's going to be a thing about "HFCS misinformation" and a bunch will defend HFCS
>you have to consume seed oils>why?>it's uhh.. it's uh err- good>why?>hahaha because uh it's like uh pretty good for you>well, what makes it good?>uhh yeah hahaha it's like uh probably one of the best things you can consume
>>22254108I think that if the prevailing notion of experts in their field points towards a particular viewpoint then it's probably correct. That's not taking something as gospel like you like to pretend. I also understand that if you have no expertise in a field of study then your ability to verify such matters is going to be limited, but I doubt you'll cop to that simple fact either because you'd like to be both a layman and an expert at the same time.
MAHAfags will seethe over sneed oils but not safety standards, quality control, pesticides, or any kind of pollution.
>>22254121>t. trusts the experts blindly about dumping toxic waste into drinking water sourcesok
>>22254118Scientists love the chance to disprove their peers and take the subject into new and innovative directions while making a name for themselves. Its not that same as some uneducated con artist selling miracles
>>22254122MAHA doesnt care about pollution because political donors told then not to.
>>22254118>I think that if the prevailing notion of experts in their field points towards a particular viewpoint then it's probably correct.Eh, yeah it's likely, but I'm not going to run around pretending it's fact or relinquish my agency to critically think about itSimple as
>>22254127>MAHA doesnt care about pollution because there's no actual way to stop it aside from making sweeping and devastating infrastructure changesfixed
>>22254128Next to nobody feels this way, you're confusing people understanding their limitations due to a lack of expertise with "taking it as gospel".
>>22254132There were plenty of ways of stopping it in place until the current admin and its previous iteration undid a lot of them. If putting back in place regulations that were already there and recently got removed is what you call sweeping and devastating infrastructure changes then... I wouldn't be surprised in the least, actually.
>>22254044First heart disease cases started after johnson and johnsons sludge waste material crisco
>>22254136Whatever regulations we had in place were feel-good bullshit anywayDoes that stop China making factories? Or the Third World polluting the rivers and oceans? Or does global warming stop when we push our problem out of the country?
>>22254141They were measures that helped to limit pollution and the current admin and its previous iteration did away with them, period full stop. No amount of dancing and coping will change that fact or the fact that the MAHA crowd doesn't give a shit. That or they're so ignorant they don't even know that ithappened, or so delusional that they read such things and just write it off as fake news. You're probably in one of those camps so I will waste no more time feeding you replies, silly troll.
>>22254144Yeah, good sidestepIt just limited pollution output here, but we outsource our pollution production elsewhere. We always do.This does nothing for global warming, but it sure does make us feel good about it.
>>22254107No, it was 2016. The killing of Harambe and the subsequent ‘dicks out’ movement altered the timeline
Getting my cousin to help me hook up a seed oil IV drip directly into my veins later today. I'm about to get seeded!
>>22254051Both can happen but they're not the same.You pay off someone on TikTok and they can shill for you in literal seconds with 0 ramifications.You pay off a scientist and they need to forge a paper which gets reviewed by other scientists which could ruin their career
>>22254148this desu senpai
>seed oil vs butter/lard/tallow>cane sugar vs corn syrup>people not recognizing that the average american is consuming about 650 calories per day from added fat and 400 calories per day from added sugar and the source doesn't really matter when you're consuming that much, you'll be overweight and unhealthy either way
I'm sure seed oils are fine. People on that the news had on tv told me they were safe and healthier. They say all the toxic chemicals used to process them are all taken away, and cannot harm you at all.
God your dumb fringe health food debates are boring. The they don't want you to know folks are all idiots who wish they weren't.If you're a fat fuck it's not because the government, it's because you are a fat lazy fuck who blames everyone but themselves for their failures
>>22254191Actually my diet of 4000 Calories of fried foods would be perfectly healthy if McDonald's used a different fat to fry them in
I will not trust the experts, sorry I'm just not gonna.
something always going to be a scapegoat for the heavily subsidized modified corn starch, corn syrup and corn subsidies that actually kills americansfirst it was fat and eggs so everyone got rid of fat and there was a fat free craze but americans still got fatter and more diabeticthen no fat is actually healthy its... umm it's a certain type of fat yes that's what the real problem
>>22254239Corn doesn't kill Americans, what kills Americans are the Children who live in the Corn
>>22254239>so everyone got rid of fat and there was a fat free craze but americans still got fatter and more diabeticI don't think many people actually went on a low fat diet. They might buy some low fat cookies or salad dressing, but then they'd still end up consuming a lot of fat elsewhere. It's like someone drinking a diet soda while eating a meal entirely of fried food with sugary sauces. The issue more consistently seems to be people not settling on "eat less processed food" and blaming individual things within processed food and thinking getting rid of that somehow makes processed food perfectly healthy.
>>22254257It's not the processed foods. It's the 4000 calories a day.
>>22254261people shouldn't naturally want to eat 4000 calories a day without huge hormonal changes
>>22254261People would struggle to eat 4000 calories a day without processed food. Processed food is usually high calorie but digests fast and doesn't keep you full as long.
>>22254075My dad is very prone to this when it comes to medicine. The less evidence there is for its efficacy the more he trusts it.
>>22254272This. It's a fairly small amount of food for an average-sized person, I'd say? The main reason processed food cooks so fast and "lasts" so short is that there isn't much density to it.
>>22254288HOLYBASED
Anyone eating under 4000 Calories a day is not really a patriot. If anything someone like that should move to Europe or maybe Communist China, because eating like a famine victim goes against American ideals of freedom and plenty.
>>22254295
>>22254295That's dumb, people need to stop being so scared of porn. It's just videos of people having sex, like it's the same issue I have with the seed oil weirdoes. Stop blaming your lack of self control on society and take some responsibility for yourself. You're not gonna be given a job, a girlfriend and a nice house you have to make it yourself.
>>22254302i don't think they're scared of porn, i think it's just more self censorship
>>22254323>people who might get triggeredadvertisers?
>>22254049This. No trust in institutions for our retarded incel brethren here. Mindbroken by covid. They'll forever think everything is a "conspiracy" and that their no name "sources" are preferable to the experts.Sad fucking times. But at least you're aware of what's happening.
>>22254044>nowI've been posting that link here for many months whenever some nut appears and says 'seed oils' are in any way detrimental to health.
>propaganda website has a damage control pageWow no wayWikipedia can't be trusted as a neutral source with anything even vaguely political
>>22254342Luckily there's nothing political about seed oils. Just the truth that they cannot harm you. But you don't trust anything, you only have 'distrust' mode. You're gone and you're never returning.
Food is now a partisan thing?Which political party as a whole thinks seed oils are bad?That's right, there's isn't one. Only a handful of schizos with no formal political association at all.Glad we cleared that up.
>>22254339These people have always existed, they were around in the 80s and 90s on those daytime Talk Shows, those early predecessor to podcast radio shows. In a way it spawns out of the New Age movement and the Ex-Hippies who took the lack of trust in institutions that came out of the 60s and shifted it into the early the early natural foods and clean living movements and while all those movements gave us healthier foods, organic produce and more natural alternatives, it also spawned the anti-vaccine movement and dozens of "They don't want you to know" fad crazes over the last few decades.
>>22254345>Second sentence of the article is Joe Rogan copeIt's political now, sorry
>>22254351Joe Rogan is with which political party?
>>22254348Seed oils are the fringe politics version of Data Centers. Communists and Fascists unite against Seeds and Vaccines, like Democrats and Republicans unite over data centers being built in their communities.
>>22254351>Rogan copeSo you don't understand references? You probably see anything about Trump and call it "TDS" without realizing that there's more behind it. Joe Rogan is not involved in politics. Seems it has something to do with him reaching a large audience (of fucking retards) and some shyster spreading lies on that forum.Try and keep up, virgin.
How much of the disinfo stuff relies on people simply not being able to get medical help for anything?Like, you have problems and they just will not diagnose it for money reasons. So people keep having issues from stuff they eat and it becomes a common trend that if you want something intenstine related fixed it requires google and self medication.
>>22254107Been much longer than that. I did paleo back in 2012/13 and dropping seed oils was a primary part of the diet along with soy and corn.
The fact of the matter is peanut oil makes everything delicious
>>22254125Unless that new direction contradicts the leftist narrative. Then they get discredited, shunned, etc.
>>22254141who is buying that shit from china anyway?
>>22254525All the First World consumer economies.Either we make it here, they make it there, or it gets made somewhere else by another country that doesn't care too much about the environment.Either way, it's going to get made.
Why do the mindbroken anti-science brigade suddenly hate seed oils now, but say nothing about the well-known increase risk of death from processed meat?Why does big meat get a free pass, are they not likely to do all the bribing and conspiracy shit they imagine big seed-oil doing?Is it simply because they believe eating red meat makes them manly and badass?
>>22254569Meat, trucks, guns etc. = based, conservative, masculineSeed oil, vegetables, bicycles, vaccines = soy, liberal, feminineNot that seed oils have ever been a left-wing thing, scientists (soy, liberals) have always warned against excess use of processed oils and fried foods
>>22254044Nice
>>22254569>>22254593It's insane. Palm oil isn't a seed oil. They keep guzzling Mars bars, Nutella, Dominos pizza, down it with Coca-Cola's refined glucose drinks. And that's just breakfast.But o-ho-ho wait a minute. Someone's cooking veal in grapeseed oil. Ladies! We better alert our lord and saviour Joe Rogan. What the fuck is up with this effeminate hugbox pseudo-culture? Other than being an obvious Russian plant?
>>22254623That's one hell of a straw man. The only people I know who obsess over seed oils are health nuts who aren't slamming down the things you mention. Frankly, if being wary of seed oils gets people to eat healthier to any degree I don't care. Maybe they'll start paying attention to nutrition facts and ingredients. Realize how much salt and sugar is shoved into every packaged product they buy.
>>22254569Mostly because there's a concerted effort from the WHO to get people to stop eating meat completely, so every bit of "research" from government orgs like that is most likely propaganda
>>22254639>Mostly because there's a concerted effort from the WHO to get people to stop eating meat completelyproof? just seems like they recommend less red and processed meat but don't seem to have any issues with chicken and fish.
>>22254569HE'S A VEGAN! HE'S A VEGAN! HE'S A VEGAN! A VEGAN! LOOK, THERE'S A VEGAN!
>>22254679Ah, my bad, it was the WEF, not the WHOSome faggot "bioethicist" doctor
>>22254708Poor Kramer is STILL beating himself up over this.He never learned that apologising to certain people just makes them go after you harder.>>22254044With porkbelly being some of the cheapest meat I can find I never run out of homerendered lard, so I cook with that.I doubt frying something in grapeseed oil once in a while would do me in faster than the cigarettes and vodka anyway, though.
>>22254593I'm pretty sure Dr. Chaim Judowitz collaborated with Ilhan Omar and AOC to promote the use of Seed Oils in their "Obey us and you'll be free and happy" campaign against the legitimately elected President Donald J Trump's agricultural policies
>>22254044>VEGETABLE oil>Check ingredientsIt's actually soy "and/or" canola oil>CORN oil>Check ingredientsIt's actually soy "and/or" canola oil>OLIVE oil (that isn't blatantly JUST olive oil)It's a proprietary "blend" of unknown proportions of soy "and/or" canola and still expensive as fuck>Multiple containers labelled as "different" things are all actually made from the exact same damn ingredients and they still won't even say exactly whats in it.I just want a legitimate product that doesn't blatantly lie about what it even is in the first place to oil my vegetables with. Just the fact they pull this shit makes me suspicious as fuck and avoid soy/canola shit more than any soi memes or "settled science" ever could.
>>22254767>>VEGETABLE oil>>Check ingredients>It's actually soy "and/or" canola oilWhat's wrong with this?>>CORN oil>>Check ingredients>It's actually soy "and/or" canola oilDoesn't happen.>>OLIVE oil (that isn't blatantly JUST olive oil)>It's a proprietary "blend" of unknown proportions of soy "and/or" canola and still expensive as fuckDoesn't happen.
People simply noticed the parallels with the tobacco industry. Dubiously independent organizations with vague health claims, industry plants, suspected corruption with fraudulent research, conflicts of interest, etc. Of course even basic critical thinking was turned towards profit, endless meme diets and gimmick items. And now engagement bait and branding.Also, skepticism really started with margerine, 2018 is a ludicrous claim.
>>22254768Liar. I just checked my olive oil and it says "select olive oils from Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain & Tunisia"
>>22254776Blended olive oil isn't uncommon. Done for the same reasons budget mass market wine makers don't do vintages and blend years. All to keep a consistent flavor profile.
>>22254776If you mix two olive oils together it's still olive oil.
>>22254791They say when you buy olive oil from the store, it can contain oil from over a thousand different olives.
This argument is not worth your time.
>>22254810why can't they just make one big olive
>>22254861This is what gives them away. They worship science like it's perfect, but it can't even make one big olive.
>>22254768He's idiot, but these three things do happen.
>>22254869>can't even make olives without pits
>>22254768>Doesn't happen.
>>22254874The seed oil shill was gaslighting him? Who would have thought?
>>22254889Maybe the guy saying it doesn't happen was from a country where this doesn't happen, this seems to be an US-only thing.
>>22254874This is the most blatantly labeled food item ever created. If you don't want a blended oil don't buy the one that says CANOLA OIL BLEND in clear lettering.
>>22254874It's not misleading. All you have to do is read.
>>22254906What kind of people see a scam and jump the defend the scammer? It starts with an A...
>>22254907Maybe standards for how honest one must be change from country to country. What is thivery and dissimulation in a country is common practice in another.
>>22254909'Buyer beware' should apply everywhere. But in America they can only be so vague.
>>22254874>blend
>>22254906>>22254907It's intentionally deceiving. If anything it should be labeled canola oil blend as it's 95% of the fucking product, you retards.
>>22254915>But in America they can only be so vague.The US has the worst standards I know off, take a random third world country for example, like Brazil, by law one cannot call it "olive oil" if it's not pure olive oil.
>>22254908Azerbaijanis...
>>22254929This and the other should honestly just say olive oil added for color.
>>22254926>>22254908I think I understand now: conspiritards have trouble reading and so think clearly labeled items with more than four words are a (((trick))).
>>22254929>transgenicaI fucking knew it
>>22254946>This and the other should honestly just say olive oil added for color.The translation is "mixed oil made of soy and olives, 12% olives"
>>22254956And I understand that you are a moron who doesn't have a clue. The choice of text size is rather intentional, if that helps.
>>22254957It's a small label added to inform genetically modified crops were used to make this product. I think this also doesn't exist in the US...My job would be a hell lot easier there.
>>22254976Large and clear? Yes, I imagine they chose that so anyone with an IQ above 70 would understand what they are buying.
>>22254978We don't have labels that indicate GMO foods, but we do have labels to indicate non-GMO foods.
>>22255031The US has not labeling standard for GMO foods, a brand being able to add a third part NGO "it's le good" label is not the same thing. Specially with how corrupt these things are in the US.
>>22254874God damn you have to be really fucking stupid to think that this proves the other anon's point.
>>22254976You see how the word "blend" is in huge letters? Do you know what the word blend means?
>>22255022You obviously underestimate both the average shoppers time spent looking at labels and the average marketing jews ability to hide the obvious in plain sight. Keep thinking you live on some magical high IQ plain when you are simply ignorant.
>>22255062Being able to stick "olive oil" on the package of something that is not olive oil is objectivelly dishonest, no matter how common place this is in your society.
>>22255059Sure thing. Does it inherently mean it's blended with something other than the words that come before it? Could it not have been titled cooking blend? Why specifically choose olive oil when it's only 5%?
>>22255070Because it's an oil blend that has some olive oil in it. There's nothing misleading about this. If it just said "Olive oil" full stop as the product and was only 5% olive oil then you'd have a point, but that's not the reality of the situation. Do you whine when a garlic hummus blend is only 5% garlIc by weight but is still advertised as garlic hummus? Probably not. "Blend" means it's a mix of things and it's described by what makes this particular blend different from regular canola oil.
>>22255085>garlic hummus blendThat thing is not called "olive soy oil blend", it ommits on purpose to mislead.
>>22255085You'd defend packaging that says CASHEWS (and other nuts) being a blend of 95% peanuts and 5% actual cashews by this logic. Whilst also charging 175% more than the bag of fucking peanuts right beside it because of the literal handful of cashews they threw in. >There's nothing misleading about this
>>22254049I guess the jews should have stopped lying to people then
>>22255114He is being obtuse on purpose. There is no arguing with his type.
>>22254376This is why chiropractors exist in the US. It probably does push a lot of the disinfo along The real cause imo is just that we haven't had this type of technology (mass social media) for very long, people haven't built up an immunity to it. Same shit likely happened with the printing press and radio>>22254386You know what they say, reality has a liberal bias
>>22254049>tik-tok influencers over scientistsbecause scientists started becoming influencers
>>22254106Lmao painfully precise assesment
>>22256097but he is wrong though
>>22254107>Rogan is responsiblelmao even
>>22254929Maria you fucking lying bitch
>>22254118>I think that if the prevailing notion of experts in their field points towards a particular viewpoint then it's probably correct.But how many of their methodologies are repeatable?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
>>22255120Shillbots obliterated.
>>22254113Not sure, but I think in the 1970s there was this physiologist called Ancel Keys that hypothesized that replacing animal fats with seed oils reduces the risk of heart disease. He said it reduces bad cholesterol.After the 1970s heart disease death rate did decrease. Although it is not certain if it because of Ancel Keys dietary guidelines or it's just because people smoke less and statins are now more avalaible
the trvthnvke is that all fats are bad for you. zero reason to consume any
>>22254051Retard alert! Retard alert!
>>22254049>>22254077>>22254339I would assume this was bait on any other board but this is truly the most reddit board on 4chan.
>>22257654If it's bad for you why does it taste good?
>>22254049Look man all I know is I feel better when using olive oil or butter, so I will keep doing it. Whether sneed oils are bad or not is a question for someone else, but I do know that olive oil and butter are good for you, so surely you'll have no problem if I stick to using those, right?
>>22254113Seed oils are the only true prevention to heart disease
>>22258064seed oils/pufas are the leading cause of heart disease and diabetes
>>22258066but it's heart healthycompanies wouldn't just lie like that
>>22258143This is definitely the case. Though I'm sure that conspiracy theorist influencers aiming for as many views as possible would totally never lie either. Quite the conundrum, it seems!
>>22257758trve, doctors are easier to buy than your average literal who
>>22254049>muh scienceHow many doses of the Trump vax did you get, bootlicker? After all, you DO trust the science, right?
>>22254874American food is so crazy. That's blatant deceitful mislabeling.
>>22254044All I know is that I'm healthier since I switched from rapeseed oil to olive oil.
>>22254049Corporate bootlicker
>>22254044Enjoy eating chips and fast food? New study sheds light on how this could increase dementia risks - CTVhttps://youtu.be/PYljPyIlpgo?Ultra-processed foods could damage your brain: study - CBChttps://youtu.be/9WPo1Vt--uM?https://youtu.be/ndtZLbztaRg?https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM?The global soybean oil market is estimated to be worth between $43.87 billion and $56.32 billion annually, depending on the tracking index and price cycles. It is projected to expand steadily, reaching an estimated value of $73 billion to $89 billion over the next decade.The global canola oil market is valued between $36.8 billion and $41.04 billion. Industry tracking reports project the market to continue expanding steadily due to a massive surge in demand from both food processing and the green energy sector.
>>22258326This label would need to be changed if this was exported for most 3rd world countries.
>>22254049Sorry I'm just not gonna eat the seed oil, no matter how much you pay me to do so
>>22254049After covid "scientists" have lost alot of face. Seed oil is globohomo over health, all major religions & vegans will not reject it plus is has good shelf life. Tallow & butter are superior nutritionally but some subhumans have issues with them, plus a healthy population is less submissive.
>>22258493>Tallow & butter are superior nutritionally but some subhumans have issues with them, plus a healthy population is less submissive.I know some people don't like lard. But who has issues with tallow and butter?
>>22258509So vegans and Hindus? I'm forced to agree with the subhuman part. Kosher slaughter is disgusting, needlesly cruel and should be banned, Halal slaught is kinda nice.
>>22258514If you look at it from a line must go up perspective mass appeal trumps health & tradition. As a white person I don't care about their dietary restrictions, and as a non jew I don't care about the GDP. We make the best killer robots, so taking a economic hit doesn't impact my security. In fact having a population with a good intake of amino acids increases my security.
>>22254051Then why do you trust one over the other?
>>22258514>Kosher slaughter is disgusting, needlesly cruel and should be banned, Halal slaught is kinda nice.Aren't they pretty much the same thing? Both seem to mostly avoid stunning the animal first which is why it's cruel.
>>22258538>Aren't they pretty much the same thing?No, they pretty much the opposite. Kosher bans stunning and requires the animal to be slowly bled to death while it’s still alive. Halal allows stunning, requires the animal to be killed swiftly, and only allows it to be bled once it’s dead.
>>22258542I dunno where you're getting your information from. Last time I checked halal was still mostly against stunning and practitioners try to tell you how that's actually less painful for the animal. Both halal and kosher mostly cut the throats of conscious animals and let them slowly bleed out to death.
>>22258547There are some Wahabi tards who don't like to stun animals, but pretty much all everyone else stuns. Halal slaughter is basically a decapitation, head is cut, brain disconenct, animal dies. In Kosher slaughter a relativelly small cut is made and the animal is left to lie through blood loss. I have many bad things to say about Muslims, but the way they slaughter animals is kinda decent, unless it's some Saudi fucker.
>>22258547Shouldn’t I be the one asking where you got your information? Never seen a Halal slaughter who didn't stun.
The fact they sell cigarettes that factually cause cancer should tell you that there is absolutely no reason to for big corporations or the government to ever lie to you about the health facts around consuming foods.Like, why the fuck would it be a worldwide conspiracy if they already can sell you total retards cancer smokes? Are you fucking retarded? Little fat retard?
>>22258550>>22258551>Halal slaughter is basically a decapitationNo, it's specifically against halal slaughter to decapitate. They only cut the throat and let it bleed out. The only one I know that requires decapitation is jhatka done by sikhs/some hindus. Halal and kosher are pretty much the same thing otherwise. But, I hadn't read about it for years and it does seem like things changed at least in the UK where most halal slaughter involves stunning now, but kosher seems to have no leeway to allow it. You still see plenty of muslims saying to avoid stunned meat though because they still say it's not halal.
>>22258566>No, it's specifically against halal slaughter to decapitate. They only cut the throat and let it bleed out. The only one I know that requires decapitation is jhatka done by sikhs/some hindus. Halal and kosher are pretty much the same thing otherwise.That's not how it is, it's a deep cut that makes the animal lose conscience, but I've seen plently of people trying to claim Hahal is just like Kosher online. But I genuinelly don't doubt the scum that migrante to the UK want to it closer to Kosher.
the discourse around sneed oils is interesting because the reason behind it has completely changed over the years. I started avoiding them over a decade ago because of some study showing they were high in phytoestrogens and /fit/ saying soybeans were going to kill my gains. a few years later people were saying they were bad because of polyunsaturated fats, and now it's even more nebulous and they're just bad because they're "refined." how did we go from at least one one study with a concrete mechanism for harm but only a small number of gymcels believing it to country wide concern but with no actual explanation of why?
>>22258581I feel slow and heavy when I eat food with seed oils, so I avoid them.
>>22258584Maybe you're a gay retard with a weak, bitch body that can't handle a little sunflower oil
>>22258588Get a (you) for your effort.
>>22258575>it's a deep cut that makes the animal lose conscienceBoth halal and kosher claim to do this. Although, like I said, more halal stuff at least in the UK does allow for stunning now. But you still have people trying to say stunning is somehow more painful, cutting them while conscious is actually less painful somehow, etc.
>>22258589You're welcome.
>>22258595>But you still have people trying to say stunning is somehow more painful, cutting them while conscious is actually less painful somehow, etc.You should beat these people, disgusting animals who lie and promoted suffering as if it was Islam.Also, I'm assuming you're in the UK, how can you endure all the scum that moved in?
>>22258599I'm not from the UK, while looking up the stats it just kept saying almost 90% of halal slaughter in the UK involves stunning now. I'm not sure about other countries. IIRC when reading about this a long time ago it was the opposite where most didn't involve stunning so that's a pretty big change in a short while.
>>22258608For what I know, countries following more fundamentalist forms of Islam, like Somalia and Saudi Arabia incentive non-stun slaughter, Shias require stun, and most incentive stunning, but allow non-stun slaughter.If it was on me, I'd force all slaughter to require stunning.
>>22258599>how can you endure all the scum that moved in?You believe everything AI generated, russian bot farm posted online huh?
>>22258707>Reddit space>Liberal slopYou're not even British.
>>22258710It's been on 4chan probably longer than you.Reddit spacing is like, the most Reddit thing itself ironically.
>>22254049academics after WW2 has always been a dick-waving contest
>>22254056KEK
>>22259412Not really. Are you a smoker? Once in a while I see a smoker trying to convince others it's actually not that bad. Smoking definitely causes lung cancer, but that doesn't mean every smoker will get it. It also causes other cancers and diseases too. Comparing health problems from smoking to satanic panic is just irresponsible.
>>22259424Cholesterol kills way more Americans than smoking is alleged to. Why aren't we slapping warning labels and sin taxes on cheese?
>>22259426That doesn't mean smoking isn't also bad for you and concerns about it are hysterical and unwarranted. Some places have started taxing junk food more and putting warning labels on unhealthy products. But I think most people know eating a lot of junk food isn't good for you while cigarettes were advertised as healthy and not as many people understood the risks back then.
>>22259424I don't smoke but I've read a few studies about it and they're all the same, "tobacco causes cancer, it just does, ok?" with a bunk analysis comparing coal and uranium miners who smoke to office workers that don't. The "science" is all propaganda funded by a small group of people who weren't in on the big tobacco dollars
>>22259443>I don't smoke but >mfwIf you really don't smoke then it sounds like you just read a few cherrypicked studies that smokers like to share to try and convince people it's not an unhealthy habit. There are plenty of other studies showing how smoking causes cellular damage and contains carcinogens, has nothing to do with miners.
>>22259466Those "studies" (propaganda pieces) say the same thing about meat.
even assuming smoking doesn't cause cancer, it still irreversibly plasters your lungs with fucking tar and that's obviously not a good thing
>>22259471I think only processed meat has been shown to have some definite links. Still doesn't have anything to do with smoking and trying to say it's actually not bad for you.
>>22254046>Big Tallow can't be trustedBig (the opposite of) Onions
>>22259628big garlic?
>>22259628Little onions
>>22259412Don't care, enjoy giving yourself cancer.
>>22259443Interesting. How about COPD? Emphysema? Atherosclerosis? Aortic aneurysm? Please tell us what those studies you went into so deeply said about them.
>>22254049I see a lot of people defending artificial food dyes, simply because Drumpf’s administration is against them. Normies are silly.
>>22259412>than you'd expectthey put photos of literal lung tumors and shit on the packages
>>22254049Seed oil is fucking terrible though.
>>22259443>I don't smokethen stfu, cigarretes are the worst thing for a human being health
both sides are controlled schizo psyops to make them look insane and appeal to people with mental problems i will eat both, i will eat eggs with mayo (which is 70% rapeseed oil)
>>22254044I know about anti-palm oil craze, but what's up with sunflower oil?
>>22259638>>22259640If you don't know what I'm talking about, that is Something On You
>>22260453>he can't get around the wordfilterlmao you can't even say soy
>>22260453Go back to your home board — we don't want your kind here.
>>22259443go ahead and take up a pack a day then buddy. oh, waking up in the middle of the night coughing blood after a couple months? that's nothing but libshit propaganda. smoking is based.
>This small excess nonatherosclerotic mortality in the late years of the study raises the very important and difficult question of whether future clinical trials of diets rich in unsaturated fat must be planned for periods well in excess of eight years, rather than for the five-year periods that have been the usual goal.https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.CIR.40.1S2.II-1
>seed oils bad>being the fattest greasiest slobs in recorded human history goodAmericans everyone!
>>22260937Wait until you hear about the duration of psychiatric drug trials.
Seed oils are considered bad and "inflammatory" bc they are high in omega 6s, which need to be balanced by omega 3s and imbalances are well documented as a cause for cardiovascular and immune system issues. Americans do not tend to eat as many foods high in 3s, so seed oil becomes a negative when it's in everything and is a 10:1 ratio rather than a 1:1 ratio of omega 6s and omega 3s. It's also hard to find info about seed oil having any negative impacts on health unless you specifically google the balance between omega 3s and 6s, but it's not exactly misinformation.
>>22261199You can do a very easy experient, it's what I did.
>>22261199People who have a higher intake of omega 6 through unprocessed foods don't seem to develop many health issues from it though. Blaming omega 6 in seed oil as the issue misses the point that people are consuming like 600+ calories of seed oil per day which leads to being overweight and that causes a lot of health issues. It's true that people could probably use more omega 3 but nothing is going to be perfectly healthy when eaten to the point of obesity.
>>22261212>people are consuming like 600+ calories of seed oil per dayYeah maybe you are you fat fuck
>>22261230It's in everything. If you eat processed food, which most do, you're eating sneed oils.
>>22261236seed oils are healthy you're just fat
>>22261238I don't eat ultra processed foods because I'm not a gay retard like you
>>22261240oh so you're back tracking now? Your concession will be duly noted as soon as I'm done taking a single standard shot of rapesneed oil
>>22261238You know what people say about repeating a lie.
>>22261242What are you talking about? I never said I eat industrial engine lubricant.
>>22261243>>22261244Mmmmm boy are you fat
>>22261250you're dull
>>22261230I don't consume much added fat. That's the average daily intake in the USA. Thanks for trying to contribute.>>22261238They're easy to overeat since they don't provide the same satiety whole foods do. Same issue with refined sugar. Adding oil and sugar to everything is a good way to gain a lot of weight.
>>22257876>so surely you'll have no problem if I stick to using those, right?Get's angry in stuff I was told online to be angry about
>>22254185Pish posh! Then what is all of the muggerbanger o'ive been reading on the bookface 'den?
>>22254377Are you still paleo/keto? I was never able to achieve 100% to be in their church, but the no shit carb, high protein high fat thing worked for my body and it's just how I live now. I WANT to wreck a nice wood fire pizza, and I will do it... once a month instead of 2x a week.I eat perfectly fine between, steaks, chicken, ribs etc. Lots of veggies with nice olive oil and different types of vinegar. I've never eaten so good.The hunger is the crazy thing. I used to be hungry all the time. Now when I eat, I'm stuffed and I can't think of eating late at night before bed.
>>22254908Albanians? I'm just learning about that country. They seem crazy AF, not in a good warrior way but in a who wants to deal with these people way. My limited understanding is that some of the ladies from this tribe/country are hot AF and horny AF, but also crazy AF.More field research needs to be conducted.
>>22261244>industrial engine lubricant.Like beef tallow? The only reason canola oil started being used as engine lubricant is because ww2 stressed supply of the normal lube - tallow.
>say you dont want to consume seed oils>entire industry pops up telling me im wrong and that I should consume seed oilshuh
>>22261451Your false equivalency is not an argument
>>22261636That's not a false equivalency.
>>22261645If you really don't know why it is, there's no point in engaging you.
>>22261230You realize because of the high energy content of fat (9 cal / g) that's only roughly 70 grams, right? An amount that spread over several meals is basically nothing. Pure it may look quite a bit (bit les than half of a small cup (200ml) ) but hidden inside food it's basically nothing. A single cookie can already house several grams without it feeling fatty.
>>22261203What's the experiment??
>>22262762Assuming you eat at home, consume only soy/rapeseed oil for two weeks, then only consume olive oil and animal fats for two weeks.See how you feel.
disinformation
>>22262131Fattest retard of all time says whaaaaaat
here's a simple trick>eat thing>health gets worse?>stop eating thing>health improves?>never eat thing again
>>22262765Better yet, have your girlfriend/wife be the only one that knows which you're using, write down how you feel day by day, then at the end of the month compare.Shit, never mind. You dumb fuckers don't even know what a wife or a girlfriend is.
>>22259443feel free to start smoking then, let us know how you feel>t. kicked a 12 year smoking habit and almost forgot how good it feels to have normal circulation
>>22254049theyre both paid for it. neither are trusted.
>>22254046Yes. It's non-kosher.
>>22259443These are the retards complaining about seed oils and studies in general.
>>22254768It does happen and you just saying it doesnt makes you look like a fucking idiot. Olive oil brands have been caught red handed mislabeling Extra Virgin, blending it with canola, etc. False advertising.
>>22254874you shop at walmart lol poorfag, you deserve to eat like shit and die at 40
>>22258581it's actually interesting that it mostly started with crunchy granola organic hippies, then spread to bodybuilding forums, then became some mainstream right wing culture war thing, and now it's just standard mom facebook mlm scam slop.either way just eat real fucking food
>>22260342palm oil is only bad because SEAmonkeys are burning down hundreds of thousands of acres of virgin tropical forest to set up palm tree farms, nutritionally it's basically the same as coconut oil
>>22257876nobody cares what slop you buy retard
Calling palm oil bad because of muh rainforest as if it's the CAUSE of the whole deforestation is typical for idiots that have no idea about anything and just spew out nonsense without actually checking beneath the surface.The oil palm is BY FAR the plant with the highest efficiency, meaning liters of oil per area. That's why it is so cheap and that is why it is so requested and used. Not the palm oil is the problem but our HUNGER FOR PLANT OILS!If they used any other kind of plant they would need over double the area to serve our unsatisfiable hunger for oil, and THAT would definitely lead to the rainforests getting burned down even more.SO you could easily reverse the narrative and call palm oil the SAVIOUR of thousands of square miles of rainforest who saves and protects the orang utans and all the other fauna the lives there.Not the PALM OIL is the problem, WE are! That is one of those TYPICAL cases of ignorance, instead of pointing towards the palm oil as the big bad, how about we instead point at our own noses?
I'll stop using seed oils when one of you bitch brained schizos can describe an actual symptom other than woman shit like "irritation" and "inflammation." Nigga, you have an allergy or a mental illness I don't.
>>22266477I'm pointing at your nose schlomo
>>22266525a lot of them taste bad
>>22266536Use the ones that don't then dipshit.
>>22261459You should definitely not cut yourself and we all love you.
>>22266536Olive?Otherwise use FRESH seed oils not rancid ones, idiot.
>>22254044We WON frllow Chuds!
>>22266541the ones that don't taste bad typically aren't being used in most premade foods>>22266555even freshly opened bottles of soy or canola oil still taste a bit weird. peanut and corn oil are alright.
>seed oils bad!>msg bad!>chinese gutter oil bad!the shit you retards believe because it confirms your paranoid suspicions is embarrassing
>>22254118Scientists also said having a glass of wine everyday, even while pregnant was good for you.Turns out it was BS pushed by alcohol lobbyists. Seed oils and how healthy they are have the same patern where a few people start to question them, some casual research is done showing a high possibility it's bad and then all of a sudden everyone who thinks it's bad is a conspiracy theorist and it's totally scientifically proven to be good for you but doesn't site or has very dubious data.
>>22257640More like Incel-Keys lmfao gottem
>>22266595the ultimate point that what scientists say isnt an absolute truth but 99% of the time is more reliable than a facebook schizo's theories seems to be lost on you all. yes science is always evolving and what was once thought harmless can turn out to be detrimental but that doesnt translate to "don't ever trust scientists they're all liars trust influencers instead". anyone can lie or shill or be bought out. we literally see those fake tiktoks on this board where they pretend rice is plastic and american cheese isnt real cheese. unless youre in the lab conducting your own studies you have no choice but to rely on someone else's conclusion. regardless you should always remain skeptical and accept nothing as a bona fide truth even if it aligns with your preconceptions
>>22266525maybe you should learn how to read first
>>22266600outrageously wrong and stupid
>>22266723which part was wronginb4 >all of it
>>22266982damn you catch on quick, how did you get so retarded?
Watch this good goyim. You’ll still guzzle your sneed oils and take vaccines. Gutless lobotomites.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI
>>22267026coward
>>22267031Having arguments on this topic or any adjacent topic simply is not worth the effort.
>>22267049why go on 4chan if not to arguewhy post in this thread if not to argue
>>22267060to call you wrong and stupid
>>22267064my factual statements remain unchallenged
>>22267067Even if I were here to argue, your false premise renders your statements beneath engagement.
>>22254051Doctors used to shill cigarettes. Sciencefags can fuck themselves with a hot poker. I'll take the word of my local meth dealer over "the Science".
>>22267071more weasel words, pointless
>>22267073My point exactly.
>>222540832/3rds of published, peer-reviewed research cannot be replecated in a labsit and spin on it
>>22267072>used toand now what do they say and why are you not skeptical of antitobacco claims when its obviously a psyop by big vape
yeah the replication crisis has no end in sight and is only getting worse, but there are still anons that insist so and so study is very important lmao
>Scientists are le bad, it's the Reddit soccer moms who were right all alongDefinitely a well thought out argument
>>22258493You're literally the posterboy for goycattle what the fuck are you talking about?
Omega 6 lowers LDL. Most sat fats increase LDL. LDL causes heart disease. There's no ifs or buts, it doesn't matter if you are pure carnivore or paleo or fast or train 24/7 or have never seen sugar in your entire life, if you eat sat fat you get higher ldl and plaque.
>>22267736Nobody is presenting the gay strawman argument you made up in your head
>>22267866A nerd in a labcoat is not the reason your life is shit
>>22267843Very few people outside of America eat enough fried slop for that to ever be a serious problem
>>22267879Seeking out and applying good information is the reason my life is going well.
>>22267882Cheese, sausage, butter, fatty cuts of meat, sweet snacks with their palm oil, deep fried crap like falafel, and so on and so forth.At this point I just avoid fat unless it's omega 3. Social eating, whole grains, milk/butter in mah porridge mean I won't be deficient anyway.
>>22267882usa isn't even top 10 for saturated fat intake
>>22257841Is reddit when you're not a retarded /pol/nigger who believes anything the Bad Guys don't believe without question? Obviously there are snake oil salesmen at every level. You don't have to buy in to one because the other pissed you off.
>>22267882Many countries eat as much if not more fried food than Americans. Off the top of my head, Mexico, Australia, Nauru, etc.
>>22254044>>22254049It's weird how people are pretending avoiding seed oils is a right-wing thing, when it's been a thing with leftist hippie types for decades. I feel like society doesn't have a memory beyond 10 years anymore.
>>22268151It's strange to me too beyond anything political. It used to be recommended to limit added fats in general. Even the food pyramid said to limit all added fats and sugar. Now people argue over what type of added fat and sugar they should be guzzling. The arguments are often around what type of processed food you should be consuming instead of more recommendations to limit it which seems suspicious.
>>222540444chan just KEEPS WINNING. This Victory keeps us on the Map!
>>22268157many such cases
>>22267929Having more edible dishes other than deep fried coke and chimken doesn't mean they eat them as a dietary staple, mutt
>>22268502>Having more edible dishes other than deep fried coke and chimken doesn't mean they eat them as a dietary staple, mutt
chuds won
>>22268577nice concession
>>22268151just goes to show that horseshoe theory is real
