I don't understandwhere did all the money go?if they lost 1 Trillion someone must have gained it right?
>>62823240It went back where it came from.
No not really, if I sold 10,000 shares of spy for 10$ then that would be the price until another transaction took placeSame amount of money in the system
>Chinese households' appetite for gold has grown over the past two months as prices soften and onshore equities lose their shine, providing support at a time when bullion is testing $4,000 an ounce.
For each and every sale that occurred, someone bought
>>62823240didn't this happen to india a week or 2 ago?who's next?North America?Australia? Indonesia?
>>62823269It happened to Korea too, no one is talking about it.
>>62823240it was erased disappeared money is not real>>62823260yes but all other shares are priced at the last purchased share
>>62823240The money never existed in the first place. Value is a relative concept.
>>62823285yes, thats rightJapan isn't doing so hot eitherBrazil could be next tooArgentina, south americaIts like we are playing spin the bottle and the hot chicks are all gone
>>62823285Korea is two companies that pumped to ridiculous levels due to all the leverage being used
>>62823411already happened to brazil but it was because of the election
>>62823315my reply disappeared but this is essentially itIf I buy something at value V, but can only sell it at value v, V - v = "erased value"
>>62823423I wonder where I'm seeing something similar.
>>62823240It went to money heaven
>>62823240>where did all the money go?>it's created out of nothingWell, what do you think?
>>62823240>internet make belief money>OMG WHERE OMG OMG OMG
>>62823434that might be different cause.big business men that run the world dont want to see the people elect a person that stands up for them
>>62823240>if they lost 1 Trillion someone must have gained it right?Not necessarily.Several years ago I invested in the stock of some medical company. They were doing ok. Then one day they lost a patent lawsuit in Europe. Overnight the stock cratered 50%. The money didn't move somewhere else, it simply evaporated.A few months later the company's stock price went to zero. Glad I got out having only lost 50%. :-/
>>62823260>For each and every sale that occurred, someone boughtYes but that only addresses the sales, not all the stock that people were holding when the asset got repriced.
>>62823269Indonesia happened last week. Brazil happened yesterday.>>62788461
>>62823240>where did all the money go?jews
>>62823240They have long noses and wear small hats
>>62823240>if they lost 1 Trillion someone must have gained it rightno, it never existed in the first place, market cap is a 100% made up number based on latest price action and circulating supply and it reflects absolutely fuck all
>>62823269The next one will be strictly limited to just your portfolio
>>62823240It all returns to nothing, it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.
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Unrealized gains anon. all that "money" were potential profits, but the stock market just corrected itself so the stock are worth the actual price, not the inflated price.
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>>62823240Yeah, shareholders and foreign investors also jews
>>62823240Gold is sometimes better than stocks
>>62823604literally no politicians stands for the peopleit's all elites fighting each other
>>62824365I keep telling everyone to sell their tech stocks. The writing on the wall is once midterms are over and the Dems take control, it's going to be a free for all on who can back stab each other. I'm calling it all right now.
>>62824372>implying the democrats will take controlyou'd have to have a been dropped on your head a few times if you think giving the dems power is going to lower gas prices.
>>62824372>>62824381dems are full of tech stocks in their portfolios though they want to build data centers as much as reps do but they have to pretend otherwise until they get elected
>>62823240stocks are not money
>>62824393>implying it would take much effort to remove the tech stocks from their portfoliosthat's it, you've just done what nobody has been able to do for 10 years. What you have just said is so stupid, that I no longer have any desire to spend anymore time in this thread. So I want to say thanks, and now I want to say good bye guys, we had a lot of fun and made a ton of memories, but it's time to move on.
>>62824393What? Leftist are completely against AI. Plus all the biggest data centers are in red states like Utah and Tennessee
>>62823240its not there in the first place. If I buy a stock for $1, then a second person buys a stock for $2, the price is now $2, or $4 for two stocks, but the money paid was only $3. go the reverse way, thats how money can "disappear"
>>62823260>Someone was actually buying
>>62823240>where did all the money go?>if they lost 1 Trillion someone must have gained it right?Ok... I'll admit guys, it was me, i took the 1 trillion for myself
>>62824484Kek what a trillionaire
>>62823269soall BRICS stock markets have been devastated this yearand some inbetweeners like Turkey have been hit quite hard. Egypt, UAE are holding on and hovering near 0there is some risk that the bad times will move from the periphery to the core but aggregate BRICS markets would have to do another -30% for that to be likely
Someone bought a bunch of hot pockets, but the freezer failed and they all went bad.
>>62823269Indonesia is already fucked.Australia's economy is 90% tied to China so probably.
>>62823240perception
>>62824484bro give it back
>>62823240That's not how market cap works. It's never anything more than a theoretical value. Say Company A produces a gazillion shares. They're selling for $100 each, despite the public owning .01% of shares, and execs owning 99%, so the company theoretically has 99.99% of a 100 gazillion dollars. But then people panic sell after a bad rumor and suddenly the value drops 90%. Where did the 90 gazillion go? The answer is it never existed. It's only a theoretical value of everything owned by the company, except that if they ever actually sold all of it the value would approach zero from oversupply.
>>62823240All of the suckers that paid for shares got raped by the companies that sold them the shares and whoever cashed out before the crash, but it's no where near a trillion.
>>62823260Damn this is some Lao Tzu shit.
>>62823240magic money is stored in the bags
>>62823240Money and trading value are not the same
>>62823240The valuators changed their minds. Don't worry, they might change their minds again.
Valuation is like unrealized gainsLiquidity is like realized gainsI accept poor people should exist and suffer because how can someone be so stupid to not know this
>>62823240How come financially China always seems to be on the verge of collapsing, but in their actual society nothing ever happens?
>>62827533You know how famously open and honest journalism is in commie countries?
>>62827625It's worse here though, Trump confirmed
>>62824983LAO TZU LIVED IN A HUT AND ATE STRAAAW!
>>62823240Why do u care? Its chinese money, not dollars
>>62823465But peak surplus over v is not realised by most of the asset holders. Sure they could wait for it to come back and many do but during that period they are flat or underwater. Valuations being the latest sale applied to all shares is a mirage, real so long as it never violently corrects. The difference between support levels and cost averages are part of what is measured when something is declared overvalued. Once something is speculative all value is theoretical until the music stops but anyone knows heavy selling pressure at any level is going to push prices down so no price can be fully realized by the average investor. The money never existed, same as a house listed for a million dollars in a neighborhood of similarly listed houses is onky worth a million if they all sell at that price. Until then its a reflection for tax harvesting and political talking points. Everyone measures their hard dick in a penis measuring contest but market valuations would be like if everyone downed bluechew and used mechanical pumps to create the penis of their shadow self as if it were real and the norm. In this instance bro's don't lose inches in bed they just measured off an unrealistic metric when they only fuck natty.
>>62827646I never meant to imply the modern us wasn't, although in much more opaque ways
the value just disappears. its like your a/c or sound system on your car going bad. you valued it, now its not there. unless some bullish catalyst comes along and remedies those losses.
It went into the pit
>>62823240don't you realize it's unrealized?
>>62823646The price someone is willing to pay for your bags have gone down - shrimple.
>>62823240It's not money, the only thing that exists is the shares. Their estimated value went down.
not my problem.
Do you retards realize share price isn't a real thing. It's a bloated over leveraged loan owed to the broker who owes the bank. That's just it, a one million dollar loan leveraged to 100 million by the broker to the trader/shareholder to be returned to the broker once the share price goes below a certain level or to be returned to the bank once the broker's assets which are pegged to these shares, go below another certain level, etc.
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>crash your car into a tree>value is now worth $10,000 less than what it was>"wtf who got the $10,000???"
>>62823256That's gonna be a real fucking awful mess once the Chinese government start clamping down on gold.
>>62830814>N-NO IT ISN'T REAL IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, CHINA WILL WIN AI RACE!Cope and seethe, US wins on entropy alone. Now we just wait for American Ai companies to dissolve into Microsoft/Amazon
>>62823240Triples and I will chop my cock off
i was down over $20k at one point
>>62823260>bought a rock for $10 a while ago>someone else buys a rock for $20>don't need rock anymore so try to sell it for $20>No one wants it for $20>Sell it for $15>tfw lost $5This is how the average person thinks money works
>>62823285South Korea was a shithole worse than North Korea until the late 1980s. Then a handful of companies took over the economy at the right time to take off and moon.The country will also likely experience the fastest shithole > economic powerhouse > shithole transition known in human history thanks to their dying population and reliance over globalism.That's why no one is surprised, or cares about it.
>>62823256Then why hasn't the price of gold went up?
>>62831655The stock market is insignificant in china anyway. It's not a bloated part of the economy like the us is.
>>62830201is that a new Tool album?
>>62823240Jews.
>>62823285What's there to talk about. They're bidding their time till China eats up their pie share in the upcoming years. They got lucky with the timing in these past few years with all their industry shilling right before they all become grandpas/mas
It's all fake and gay so it just disappears. It's not money, it's valuation.
>>62831941People are retarded but especially so when it comes to money. Very depressing.
>>62834098cause chinks are buying chinese gold
>>62823240this is the one central rule of markets that the world conveniently ignores because it sounds cooler to say "Elon owns $1T" than "Elon has some cash but most of it is in assets which fluctuate in value wildly but it's a lot".All of the stuff valued there which "vanished" is unrealized gains potential. 1.000 people have a check for $100, but there's only $200 to go around were they to cash it out, so is there $100k in existance? No, it's $200.Can you define "your" $100 as collateral for credit? Absolutely you can lmao.
>>62823240the VALUE of it fluctuates based on what someone else wants to buy it for. The item, share, coin, is still there but it's value has gone down.
>>62824436Dana Nessel from Michigan is married to a dude who had a huge stake in the building of a data center in Saline that the people didnt want. The Dems first move is to make money on them and then publically come out against them once they've collected their bag.
>>62835173Sorry, not dana nessel. The other one Jocelyn Benson.
HOLY SHIT 1 TRILLION DOLLARS JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>62823240It went to the foodhttps://youtu.be/LtvPbNf7dPM?t=130
>>62831589Lol that hipster ate shit, like these retirement funds are gonna
>>62823240It gets spread out to everyone via inflation throttling.
No you stupid fuck there was never a trillion dollars in the first place.
>>62824404Exemplary exit, death to this thread.
>>62823240It never existed
>>62835100>FINE GOLD 999.9>999.9Even if they can't read English, they should've known something was wrong from they way the number was printed.
>>62824274He's literally me
>>62823240When people say that is because they have the number only go up mentality.The money is actually virtual when your stock go up but you don't sell, it all depends on your average cost per share.
>>62823240>I don't understand>where did all the money go?It was destroyed. When you buy a stock for €50 and the same stock trades for €30 a year later it means that the stock is less valuable.It's the same as when you buy a car foe €80,000 and the next year it's worth €60,000.
>>62835104>unrealized gains potential.Its not even that. There never was an offer to buy all of the stocks at the price of top marginal stock.Its like some celebrity would auction single hair for million dollars and then economists would say she's worth hundred billion dollars.
>>62823240You know when you drop something and it disappears from existence? It went to the same place.
>>62841112Not exactly, because in the example you gave all the value is still in circulation. Some guy got 80k from you buying that car, even if you sell it for less down the road the 20k loss you suffered didn't disappear from the economy.But with stocks value can be created and erased from nothing. Let's say you buy 100 stocks at $50 each, so you how hold $5000 of stocks. Then someone else sells 1 stock for $100. Now your stocks are suddenly worth $10000! But you decide to wait before selling, and then the hype wears off and people start buying the stocks for only $25. Now your stocks are only worth $2500. The situation created $5000 out of thin air for you, and then removed $7500 for you, even though the only money you exchanged was the $5000 for the initial purchase.
>>62834098For every chinaman buying physical gold there's 10-20 jews in the stock market selling paper slips to cover their asses making bad decisions gambling.
>>62823240According to the supply of money it didnt go anywhere it just went from one person to the next as unrealized gain into cash.It still took a certain amount of money to get up there. Imagine there was only 5 dollars in existance could anything ever be sold for 6 dollars? No no imagine you added a dollar. Now a something could be sold for 6, lets say you didnt yet and it shows as unrealized gain. Oh wow my something is worth 6 dollars i "made" a dollar. Then with no change to the supply of money(6) you go to sell your something and whoops its only able to be sold for 5 dollars. You "lost" a dollar but 6 dollars still remain in existance that 1 dollar just in someone else's account.
>>62823240it was never real to begin with
>>62823240It vanished as people bought and sold at lower prices. Might as well ask where the money went if you sell your house for less than you bought it.
>>62823240Stock prices are a valuation—not real. You would not say a car dealership selling cars at $10000 one day and $5000 made money evaporate. It is the same thing with stocks: even if the stock price changes that does not mean money is created or destroyed—only that what the market is willing to pay has changed.
>>628232401 trillion and value is lost, so potentially if everyone cashed out, everyone would have lost 1 trillion in cash all together, but they would never let the market liquidate that fast, so some people lost some people will continue to hold, but the value has been significant lowered of all share
same as when a shitcoin gets rugged
>>62824484Giz a bit.
>>62823240Not a clue goyim. No idea where it went.
>>628232401) there is no money IN the market, at all2) a trillion wasnt lost, a trillion in marketcap was "lost", different things.3) for every seller there is a buyer . 4)When you buy, someone takes that money. When you sell, you take someone's money. Never at any moment there is money IN the market, only trades.What really happened: maybe a billion tops where traded, enough money to move the price a bit %, thats enough to wipe a trillion in marketcap. No, a trillion wasnt lost.Hope this helps market newfags
>>62823240It went into bonds
>>62823240President Xi Jinping stole it obviously.
>>62823240It never existed in the first place. The entire global market is vastly overvalued relative to hard assets or even fiat currency, its the only thing that allows institutions and money speculators to accrue value. On top of that, the Chinks are particularly egregious in all forms of economic lying - overvaluing their real estate, faking precious metals, overvaluing their population and their currency, everything. Yes, every other country is guilty of overvaluing, but the Chinks are basically a stone age mud-dwelling hut people baying at the moon pretending to be a modern nation, its a massive gap between what's real and what they report.
>>62823240No, and this fallacy is why socialism exists. There is no set amount of wealth in the world. Wealth is created and destroyed everyday.
>>62823411>Oh no, thirdie subhumans' markets are tankingAnd nothing of value was lost.
>>62842398Don't tell that to the commiecrats. They want to tax everyone based on the imaginary value of unrealized gains.
