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    Activists are so Retarded.
    https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSgsLSfLc/
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    >>5171276
    Who actually believes in this bullshit?
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    >>5171276
    What he listed out wasn't that unreasonable, to be honest.
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    >>5171285
    >Tumblr style doomerslop comic
    >Peta-style textwall post
    >Troons and fags in the comments saying humans should kill themselves
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    >>5171285
    you not asking for a plastic straw with your impossible whopper and then e-biking back to your pod does nothing to offset the 1.6 billion indians chucking used plastic palm oil bottles into a fire to warm up their jeetmuck. if we want a cleaner planet we need to amend that first, preferrably by rending the entire subcontinent into radioactive glass.
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    >>5171289
    and that's not hyperbole by the way.
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    >>5171279
    Anyone that can do a google search
    40% land: https://ourworldindata.org/global-land-for-agriculture
    90% deforestation: https://www.fao.org/newsroom/detail/cop26-agricultural-expansion-drives-almost-90-percent-of-global-deforestation/
    70% water: https://www.unesco.org/reports/wwdr/en/2024/s
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    >>5171276
    Activists are frequently retarded
    But legitimate shit gets continuously destroyed without any activism
    You could bring some of your own intelligence to activism and make it better if you felt like it. That would be helpful since, like I said, activists are so frequently retarded. The environment has to have a right to exist and lines have to be drawn somewhere or people with money and power who -really- don’t give a fuck will eat everything alive.
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    >>5171276
    I'm genuinely curious what you think when you see something like this. Why doesn't (or does) it work to inspire action from you?
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    >>5171300
    Your Fatalistic ass won't help
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    >>5171302
    Well, that’s exactly what they’re doing.
    These people simply enjoy sowing despair; that’s how they live.
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    >>5171332
    Consider the following, faggot
    >>5171287
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    >>5171300
    Nothing says about a mass extincion, also Recovery programs are working well—just look at the blue macaws.
    (Cyanopsitta spixii)
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    >>5171355
    I guess my point was that it’s always imprudent to shit down on people doing the job you don’t want to do yourself.
    Important shit gets destroyed without activism?
    But activists unfortunately have a propensity for being mercurial and retarded?
    Well, go do the job better or shut the fuck up about it. I’d rather have dumb/annoying/frequently-incorrect activists who at least put pressure on the gov/corps not to destroy everything than to just let it happen as a way of “owning the tards”
    Owning the tards is never important because most people are fucking stupid but the smart people still have to live here anyway. Retards never learn lessons and as the smarter of humanity (if you are in that group), it is literally your responsibility to protect the retards as well as protecting important things from retards. Fucking fix it or shut up holy hell, ya know?
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    >>5171359
    Thanks for exposing yourself as a Peta Activist, retard.
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    >>5171276
    leftoids will say this while burning cars because you didn't give them free stuff for existing
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    >>5171361
    It’s a blue board but you’re making me want to call you the n-word
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    >>5171361
    Better than the lazy faggots in this thread who can only seem to complain
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    >>5171375
    Not calling you that 'cause I'm not a racist.
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    >>5171378
    Peta is 10× worse, anon.
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    >>5171363
    As always.
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    >>5171384
    Well that makes you a MUCH better person than me so you should feel even more justified in your weird peta accusations.
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    Whenever an animal goes extinct in the present age it's almost always because nothing was done until they were fucked beyond saving. The vaquita for example is probably doomed. They were at around 600 in 1997, we knew they were probably in trouble by around the early 2000s when they dropped under 200 but did nothing. Since then they dropped to around 10.
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    >>5171363
    strawman, and to what purpose
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    >>5171386
    At the very least, i don’t kill every animal I "rescue" from laboratories, farms or the streets, nor do I keep a mass grave for pets—stolen from the neighborhood—that were put to death via euthanasia.
    >>5171387
    What a depressing mindset
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    >>5171399
    I don’t give a fuck how unlike peta you are, fucktard. You can argue against peta all day but you’ll be talking around me because I’m not one.
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    >>5171276
    They had a problem they cared about and the will to do something about it. No matter how miniscule, pointless, or successful, just the fact that they tried is respectable. It's more than most people can do.
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    >>5171400
    >Didn't denied it
    sure dude
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    >>5171300
    >Croplands comprise one-third of agricultural land, and grazing land comprises two-thirds
    So 2/3 of agricultural land is grassland with large mammals, and it's bad why?
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    Basically, activists are retarded because it's nowhere near as bad as they think/nature is gonna change anyway, but very useful because their drama is the only thing that can rile up the normies enough to put some limitations on businesses and individuals, but ALSO activists are hijacked by russia/china/megcorps to screw over other megacorps & economy
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    >here on the animals and nature board, we hate nature! If you want to see deforestation reduced you're a dirty stinky PETA activist, get out!!! mommy help!!!
    you have low iq
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    >>5171434
    You're retarded.
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    >>5171423
    Not just retarded but also hypocritical.
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    >>5171481
    >here's a baseless accusation that people who support causes actually hate those causes
    okay
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    >>5171496
    >baseless accusation
    Statistically, no baseless
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    >>5171423
    >it's nowhere near as bad as they think/nature is gonna change anyway
    Remember that the next time you get upset or want to stop something from changing.
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    >>5171387
    Most conservation efforts fail because keeping 100 animals in a zoo setting just results in a genetic bottleneck that kills the species. It's how Cheetahs went extinct last year.
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    >>5171523
    >Cheetahs went extinct last year.
    They didn't.
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    >>5171358
    We live in a world that slowly loses the sense of "hope"
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    >>5171387
    Your Fatalistic ass won't help
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    >>5171422
    >Large mammals
    >And almost all of it consist of cows...and more cows.
    stop acting retarded.
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    >>5171574
    Do you even know about protected areas?
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    >>5171423
    The loss is sad. It's sad people don't have enough control over their systems to prevent other species from dying. These excuses in your post are meant to keep your heart hard and resist despairing. Companies are not doing the objectively right thing. Are activists describing the objectively right thing to do that would convince these massive companies to change? Making money off of saving the environment looks like the only win-win solution. I wonder if AI can calculate that, and if businesses would take these solutions and apply them.
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    >>5171590
    Retarded jeet babble
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    >>5171285
    Yeah and I'd be willing to go a lot farther personally if the people actually destroying the planet would cut back themselves.
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    >>5171590
    sad retard pessimism
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    >>5171592
    But cutting back isn't the only thing the post said and just the first step to change. The most important points to me were:
    >Supporing Conservation efforts
    >Advocating for policies that prioritize environmental protection
    The people actually destroying the planet will only cut back if other people make them
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    >>5171276
    They will tell you to eat less meat because your body and brain require it to develop fully, but they will not tell taylor (swift) to lay off the private jet flights.
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    >>5171591
    Yeah. Because I didn't list a concrete solution and hoped people would look into this.

    >>5171595
    Denying reality is delusion. I have my personal hopes. I am not pessimistic for myself. But for the environment, we have to be realistic about these things.
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    Most animals go extinct because humans think they can preserve everything with religious devotion to what they believe is untouched nature while still EXISTING.

    It is a contradiction. You can not exist, and not change the world.

    Ironically most of what we believe is "REAL NATURE" used to be managed ecosystems from prior humans that were already dying off when we found them

    A great example:
    Caribou and elk will go extinct in your lifetime. Wolves will not. This is because humans tried to preserve wolves, but forgot that you literally can't log or build roads because large deer require continuous swaths of forest to evade wolves. You can't have civilization, wolves, and large cervids. You must pick two.

    If you try to pick all 3 you also have to introduce nuisance/danger levels of large ursids and felids to control wolf overpopulation and make the environment legitimately hostile to human life.

    Or, you could just have civilization and manage a nice deer population with a few cool bears and big cats to look at.
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    >>5171609
    >Denying reality is delusion
    Your Hurt-ass think reality is all a constant goner.
    You deny your pessimism.
    >>5171610
    >
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    I hate you fucking Autists.
    If you think animals are doomed and humanity is the main and only reason of that and should kill themselves.

    Then why you don't start and give the example?
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    >>5171619
    Because vegans aren't the actual problem, it's bloodmouths.
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    >>5171620
    specify
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    >>5171621
    Cattle proliferation alone has caused the mass extinction of millions of species.
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    >>5171622
    >If only massive numbers of humans were forcibly malnourished and only us brahmin came near our genetic potential, more specific colors of bird could exist
    >the normies don't deserve strength anyways
    Aryan beliefs must be eradicated
    You're the cause of india
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    >>5171623
    ironically its very true veganism would have never, ever, ever existed without 1: brits copying bullshit they discovered in india 2: hitler doing the same
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    >>5171622
    >mass extinction of millions of species.
    This guy think reality is W40k lore, lmao.
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    >>5171623
    >and only us brahmin came near our genetic potential
    Brahmins and higher castes are the strict veg "only" people in India, the Jains for example are extremely casteist while also making a big deal about not harming bacteria or disturbing microorganisms
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    >>5171623
    "God is not here"
    -Peter griffin
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    >>5171573
    No? It's just fact. People don't care until the thing is gone. Nobody wants to put forth any effort, until the problem impacts them personally and visibly.
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    >>5171632
    >
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    >>5171290
    Nepal isn't india, this is in nepal
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    >>5171632
    >Twitter thread
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    >>5171276
    Is human activity also not natural phenomena since humans are natural?
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    >>5171276
    Frankly I'd have just kept the last point. All the previous ones can only reliably be done once proper legislation and action is taken by the gov to protect anything and sue.
    I'm not clicking that shit so this is only about the image you posted.
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    >>5171713
    Is a Doomerslop Tumblr comic, you did right not clicking it.
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    >>5171276
    niggas really think it would help when the only solution would be to exterminate the 7 billion useless eaters from the third world, the only country that respects the environment (read my lips: deserves to exist) is France, and i'm not even french
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    >>5171422
    >it's bad why?
    Because anything humans do is LE BAD!!!!! (except for natives, they were wholesome chungus stewards of the land). We should get rid of all the cattle and let it regrow into an overgrown mess of second growth forest that is ecologically worthless but it looks good because more trees = more better.

    >>5171574
    No shit, you won't ever get an truly natural ecosystem because farmers won't let any other large mammals compete or hunt with their cattle, but you are a literal retard if you think your soibean and corn fields that completely replace everything are better. You will find plenty of wildflowers and snakes and birds in pastures that actually do better there because they require open disturbed areas.
    There are actual issues such as overgrazing and cows eroding and shitting in rivers but this is the best we can get as far as humans and nature coexisting.
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    >>5171276
    if she wasn't so busy fighting the zionist genocide, she would come whoop your ass.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ&ra=m
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    >>5171840
    >the zionist genocide
    The first genocide in history where the people being "genocided" keep increasing in population.
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    >>5171691
    Poo is poo, sanjay
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    >>5171840
    What you can expect from a Leftist?
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    >>5171797
    Trees are quite literally the lungs of the planet, and as oxygen levels drop across the globe it becomes more and more difficult for the average human to think, let alone actually do anything physical. The planet will shake us off like ticks off a wet dog.
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    >>5172030
    Algae/Seaweed: i am a joke to you?
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    >>5171276
    It's hard to take people seriously when they can't even use its/it's properly
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    >retards itt who think a "depressing" or "edgy" belief is inherently wrong because it is "depressing" or "edgy"

    I don't agree with the overall message in the tiktok video but you people are a bunch of fucking idiots
    the truth is rarely appealing and dismissing a position just because it doesn't pass the vibe check makes you an emotional child on the same level as an autist obsessed with thomas toys
    if you're not going to bother countering an argument then don't fucking bother
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    >>5172030
    Trees are good for carbon storage but grass is more efficient at producing oxygen, and as the other guy said it's mostly algae in the ocean doing all the heavy lifting.
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    >>5171797
    >but you are a literal retard if you think your soibean and corn fields that completely replace everything are better
    I mean they literally objectively are better because they require less area for the same productivity compared to cattle so if you wanted to increase biodiversity that would leave more room for wild environments

    not gonna say we have to ban meat or whatever, but it's an objective truth that cattle are pretty inefficient and wasteful
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    >>5172039
    because if you simply believe everything will be alright and there's no need to worry, then there's no need to put any effort into anything
    it's just pure laziness to dismiss any uncomfortable truth as doomerism
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    >>5172098
    It is natural for things like this to fall apart on their own.
    if you want to help, then go ahead, make it fall apart faster.
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