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>>5170739Almost no humans used persistence hunting because you have to travel so far you're almost guaranteed to travel through enemy territory and even if rival tribes don't kill you, nobody wants to carry a dead zebra 40 fucking miles back to camp.
>>5170741This. There are stone age trapping techniques that don’t even require tools. Native americans did the buffalo jump method and that nets many Bison for 1% the effort of persistence hunting one organism to death.
>>5170741The first and last time I heard about "persistence hunting" was that one documentary about Khoisan. I smell shenanigans.
>>5170739What a shitty meme
>>5170743A lot of the persistence hunting stuff was specifically pushed by one guy who was trying to sell his books with other people quoting him.
>>5170741No rather because other ways, bows, snares, were more effective. Kalahari folk used it mostly when it was the hottest so animals were handicapped.
>>5170741Yeah. That's why you first dig a donut shaped hole close to camp, lure the zebra in it, and then chase it to exhaustion in there.
>>5170790My fucking sidesThis is like a loony toons or troll physics comic
>>5170739Also our smell is shite so we depend on visual tracking. Once a deer detects you, she runs away. Can you even track her then? Or would it work only on few select animals. You also have a chance to get lost yourself the further you run away. Idk always seemed fishy
>>5170794Nobody's ever demonstrated it working even though perfectly capable* people have tried.*theoretically
>>5170747Oh, like how antivaxing gained traction
>>5170796It's honestly quite tiring.
>>5170790this anon has the right idea
>>5170739>ambush hunter animals are almost all dumb and instinctual>persistence hunter animals are capable of actual intelligence (dogs, orcas, etc)yes
Persistence hunting simply is one of those theories that makes for such a great story that people are unwilling to abandon it, even when there's no evidence. It is not even an established scientific theory. It was an idea originally floated in the 80s by one (1) doctoral student that now has about as much evidence for it as there is additional evidence against it that got picked up by a sports-writer who used this to hype up his book. The idea went viral and has now spread on the internet as fact, even though it's at best conjecture.
>>5170739Naked persistence hunters were inferior to natural creatures. Persistence hunters with access to fire and sharp weapons were the real threat
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>>5170743 nigger worshippers trying to credit hunting to niggers
>>5170790Sadly, those hunts had a high failure rate because the zebra tended to climb out of the hole at some point and watch the human chase after himself
>>5170886turns out it's a lot easier to track an animal that has a spear sticking from it's flank and is actively bleeding out, who knew?
>>5170743It was propaganda A lot of old dudes are really invested in explaining all of human evolution by portraying modern africans as the less evolved state of all other races, containing the explanations for all human psychology and morphology in their original contextThis is falseHumans have high iodine and omega 3 requirements for a savannah animal, are uniquely evolved to handle excessive salt intake, and have stomach acid as strong as a vulture's.These all indicate we evolved to wade around and eat raw fish and africans are actually a specialized offshoot just like the rest of us, and we all come from the jungle nigga.
>>5170790There's another method with smaller holes a lot of them and you chase animals across it they twist their leg then you stone it or spear it to death.
>>5170796yeah nobody was ever skeptical about injecting shit into their kids til that one guy
>>5170741Almost no humans used persistence hunting because you have to travel so far you're almost guaranteed to travel through enemy territoryFor a vast majority of human pre-history, there wasn't really such a thing as "enemy territory" since territory implies holding land permanently, and most humans were nomadic and would move around. That's why we spread all over the world very quickly since we're always moving about, the concept of territory that the enemy could guard only became a thing with the invention of agriculture, which happened relatively late in our species' existence see pic related. You'll notice that once agriculture is invented, it takes one-tenth the time for us to reach the modern era then the Paleolithic and Mesolithic combined together. It's also the time that, with the invention of agriculture, hunter-gatherers start experiencing the problem you talk about: enemy territory. >and even if rival tribes don't kill you, nobody wants to carry a dead zebra 40 fucking miles back to camp.I think you seriously underestimate what humans were willing to carry over miles, there's a reason we evolved to use our hands and not just walk four-legged like other animals. First of all, hunts were done in teams so it was never just one guy having to carry the animal. Secondly, we didn't take the whole animal all the time. We just cut off strips of the good meat we wanted and left the carcass behind. That being said, I do think persistence hunting gets a little too much attention. Persistence hunting implies that humans didn't directly confront their prey and were more about scaring their food into submission. I think it's the opposite: we have very good throwing arms, so that leads me to believe that humans were more aggressive upfront with their hunting style, if anything. Humans hunted more like https://youtu.be/R1IywCTMp8w
>>5170743I've also heard that in this case they had a truck full of anthropologists following them around supplying them with water lol
>>5170965Prairie dogs create conditions like this accidentally. There's usually money to be made somewhere in the US just from shooting the critters to get them off the grazing land.
>>5170974You're ignoring vast volumes of evidence of human and Neanderthal cannibalismTerritory doesn't have to be strictly held to eat your neighbors
>>5170974This is a sort of autistic failureYou assume territory must mean a permanent delineated space guarded by regular patrolsIn real life all I mean is that hunters who don't like you would probably see you chasing a cow near their impermanent and mobile camp and then proceed to kill you and the cow.And throughout human history we've camped relatively close to our conspecific competitors because that's literally how we avoided inbreeding. Go capture the neighboring women. In return they kill you and eat you when you jog past their camp
>>5170974This is the exact same sort of modern interpretation of human history through a linguistic lens that makes you think the average age of prehistoric peoples was 35 because of infant mortality despite the fact that we have zero records of prehistoric infant death and almost no examples of infant burialsYour brain is strictly limited by modern language so you say shit that's stupid and obviously wrong
>>5170974Regarding carrying a zebra 40 miles, they were far more likely to move the entire camp than haul the meat.But even that's unnecessary when you can easily kill animals at a camp near a bluff or ridge any time you want to
>>5170988We all know about buffalo jumps but only archaeologists know about something I call the reverse buffalo jump.You find tons of projectile and butchering stones at the top of ridges because people used to chase animals UP hills to hunters waiting at the top.Animal tops the ridge, stops to look around, hunter nails it. Many such cases
>>5170989Humans aren't stupid. Probably right around the same time we learned to sharpen rocks we figured out how to chase animals off cliffs, into ditches, away from fires, or up hills.Because chasing a fucking ungulate across the landscape held lots of risks, including other hunters
>>5170987>This is the exact same sort of modern interpretation of human history through a linguistic lens that makes you think the average age of prehistoric peoples was 35 because of infant mortality despite the fact that we have zero records of prehistoric infant death and almost no examples of infant burialsPretty sure the modern mainstream view is that prehistoric people lived super healthy lives and human health took a nose dive with the invention of agriculture. That's why things like the Paleo diet, Anarcho primitivism and unironic believers in "return to monkey" exist.
>>5170991Weird how that neoluddite lifestyle reduces longevity
>>5170741>enemy territoryNo such thing until white "people" evolved
>>5170964The logical conclusion here is that Humans=Forerunner
>>5170987>This is the exact same sort of modern interpretation of human history through a linguistic lens that makes you think the average age of prehistoric peoples was 35 because of infant mortality despite the fact that we have zero records of prehistoric infant death and almost no examples of infant burialsThis is verifiably false with a single google search.
>>5170744cry harder
>>5170978Allegedly they got to ride around in the trucks, and also was spliced with different "hunts" trying to appear as continuous ones.
>>5170794A test of persistence to see who gives up first; eventually, the deer will tire.
>>5171051Depends. If the deer is in the open land and people cut its way to water, yes. If the deer is in the forest its colors will quickly vanish within the deep forest. Sure they can wait until at the river until the deer comes back, but that will be an eternity when the deer will be drinking 2 miles away.
>>5171045No one who isn't crying would reply with "cry harder"
Chasing a gazelle for over 35 km and then hauling said gazelle back to your settlement is a guaranteed way to burn through 80% of the energy gained before it's over: and that is assuming that it works. And judging from the few communities that had practiced persistence hunting, the hunt success rate is below 15%. So... not a great investment returns in the long run. Those tribes allegedly still practicing it do it only for tourism and rites of passage, not to actually survive day to day.
>>5171058You do?
>>5171060What about before there were settlements?
>>5170790Similar to how you hurt a polar bear. Dig a hole in the ice and surround it with green peas, then hide nearby. When the bear comes up to take a pea, you kick him in the ice hole.
>>5171257Funny joke but hunting polar bears is actually super easy because they have no fear. You just walk right up and put an arrow in its neck, it just stands there while you line up the shot.
>>5171062You know how peta retards are.https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSgsLSfLc/
>>5170790I tried this once. The zebra got out somehow and painted my back black and white so i was unwittingly chasing my own ass around while it watched from above. It was a terrible blow to my tribe, we lost several infants to starvation.
>>5171020This. In the global south all hunter gatherers shared the animals and fruits. To each according to his need.
>>5171368karl marx - famous black man
>>5170790fucking lol
>>5170741Most animals can travel only 10 miles a day at most and require regular breaks.Humans can travel 30+ miles in a day and do not require any serious breaks other than a quick drink of water.Get fucked kid.
My question in regards to the whole persistence hunt thing is how did they hydrate
>>5171885How retarded can you possibly be
>>5170974>enemy territory didnt exist we wuz nomadsAnd yet otzi was shot to death wandering through the mountainsAnd yet nomadic peoples are some of the most warlike on earth
>>5170986Not him, but there's a sense of truth there. You had raids and attacks of opportunity, but mass grave sites associated with battles appear later in the Bronze age. With nomadic people that didn't observe each other's territorial claims anyhow, you had exactly as much chances to get attacked staying home as you had crossing 40 miles of territory. Go read sir Henry Somner Maine's Ancient Laws, one of the most common myth across all the world's culture is the adoption myth. Romans did it, Mongols did it, Inuits did it. A random nomad hunter spotting you hunting would probably not do anything except watch you hunt to see how you do. He might offer a trade, and he might try to kill you. Mostly depends on what his parents thought him to do in a case like this.
