It's Jowari da...
I watched it.
Didn't he get a super powerful world dominating true rune? And he got his shit kicked in by a regular lightning sword attack?
Will Nanami live?
You get one too and Luca still tap dances on your face. He is that much of a beast. After an army battle and along side 17 of your party members.
>>291902218>Look at me!!!!>I am sublime!!!!!!>I am the true face of evil!!!!
Jowry is going to survive, right?
>>291902314>Doesn't appreciate operatic gravitas faggot
>>291902314Being a cackling villain is a big part of his charm, though I doubt the anime will do him right
guys I think it finally dawned on me... I think Luca is evil!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this thing even worth picking up if I've never played the game(s)?Thought about it because it is a non-isekai fantasy, but seems like a dead show thread
>>291903077>he doesnt knowrofl
>>291903154OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD...well actually, I still liked Yuusha Kei and Clevatess despite going into those with the same thought. It more about being burnt out on all the sameness, rather than Isekai itself
>>291903077no you could watch a streamer play the game and it would literally be a better anime. Or you could just play it. Either is better.
>>291903077Sadly it seems to be another one of those mediocre video game anime adaptation.It's fine to watch if you already played the games because you can fill in the gaps from the anime skipping pasts some of the story, but if you want to get the full experience, it's better to play the games.
>>291902314yeah, like we need another heckin' morally grey dindusat least he leans fully into it, like that's his whole thing: being a maniac
I had no idea they were doing this. Is it gonna be only II?
>>291902114Neither Sword nor Shield is a true Rune by itself, it's only when they join into the Rune of Beginning that they have the full power. And Having a True Rune doesn't make you inherently powerful either, it depends on what the rune in question actually does.
>My brother is feeling hesitant to fulfill his role in leading an army against his best friend>I know! I'll pretend to be dead so that he'll also be suicidal depressed too, which will encourage him to go fight his last loved one to the death!It has been twenty seven years and I am still mad. That shit was fucking stupid. At least with Sialeeds' stunt in V I could see what they were going for even if the execution was wanting. This one's just dumb from start to end.
>>291903077I would just play the game. But not the HD remaster.
>>291905507Yeah, this is one of those weird cases where I actually prefer the bad ending. Even putting the Nanami situation aside the way the MC and Jowy just go back to being best buds running around like nothing ever happened just felt so insufferably twee. Jowy did so much shit he does not deserve to get off scott free. But you know how Japan is with their MUH FWIENDSIP!
Now I haven't actually played the game, but this feels like such a cut-and-dry adaptation. Between all the infodumps and random action scenes, the show makes no real effort to get me invested in its characters or the events they find themselves caught up in. Kinda feels like I'm just doing side quests while occasionally stopping to listen to some NPC dialogue but in anime format. Princess is a cuties though.
>>291905663Princess carry the princess
>>291905663Funny enough the game also has a bit or an Earthbound reputation where people love to say how great it is but never play it.
>>291905596Suikoden as a franchise always had the same problem of having silent protagonists despite their stories just crying out for them having their own personalities. The first one could sorta wing it but only because it was kinda hard to give a shit about Ted, and the player could grow fond of Gremio on his own, but II already had the issue of Riou supposedly losing heart right around the Tinto stuff despite the fact that /I/ actually thought the whole thing was going smoothly, and the resolution with Jowy ends up coming across as "Riou is a colossal wuss" rather than him being merciful. Lazlo in IV has the whole plotline about him obviously being Lino's son that never gets explored because it'd require him having a character, as well as his relationship with Snowe that would probably hit a lot harder if he had feelings.V is by far the one where it sticks out the worst though. Every other game had the Tenkai get roped into a conflict that was technically not theirs, but V's war is so intimately connected with Frey that him not talking was flat out retarded. I still remember one animation where you can see him straight up shout in sorrow with lips moving at all and yet no dialogue.
>>291905663The game basically goes:-Here's some very hasty infodump about things you're supposed to care about.-Oh shit betrayal!-Join the foreign army.-Lose and retreat.-Lose and retreat.-Lose and retreat.-Steal a castle from Temu Dracula-Hire Temu Zhuge Liang-Actually start winningThat's where it starts to get more enjoyable.
>>291905596So I played it when I was a kid and I loved Jowy. What did he do that was so bad exactly? I was obsessed with getting him back and the true ending felt kino. But I probably overlooked a bunch of war crimes, I don't know.
>>291906040The Prince in V was pretty damn expressive for a "silent" protagonist. Maybe it's a bit odd you still have to fill in the blanks but I think he's still the best one because he actually shows consistent emotions rather than having a loyal tag-along tell him how he's feeling. Also his good ending doesn't pass up the cute girl that likes him to go off on gay friendship adventures.
>>291906227He gets like four different wives to satisfy him too. Absolute chad. And no, the dog thing is NOT canon!
>>291906154>So I played it when I was a kid and I loved Jowy. What did he do that was so bad exactly?He murdered Annabelle which aside from being a real dick move escalated the war. Further he kept said war going despite being one of the central key witnesses who knew the only reason it was even happening at all was because of Luca's treachery. He had the power and position to end it right out but he lured you into a trap under the pretense of peace talks. Every death and every battle was, in some way, on his head. And the only justification he gave was some bullshit about the runes destiny, a destiny I should point out, the previous rune bearers were all too happy to tell to piss off.
>>291906154Jowy supposedly joins Highland for REASONS that depending on the interpretation were "He thought they were unbeatable so he joined to take them over from the inside (and marry the princess he had a crush on)" or just "He thought they were unbeatable so he joined to get the war over quicker (and marry the princess he had a crush on) but then it turned out they were losing so he pivoted".The issue is that once he does get control, he just keeps the conflict going because either he thought they still had the upper hand, or he believed Highland needed to lose decisively after going all out to make a lasting peace, or both. Except that the way he went about this was not by leveraging Highlands full forces into a brave last stand, but by hiring Leon "War-Crimes Are My Passion" Silverberg, a literal fucking demon, and trigger the True Beast Rune to maximize casualties.The "good ending" to all this is achieved by having Riou refuse to hold any ill feelings towards Jowy for any of this bullshit and just take his punches like a pussy, and then give up everything he built and go out on a trip with him and Nanami instead of rawdogging the hot gypsy tomboy that wanted to ride his dick. To put it into perspective, the fucking Snowe subplot in IV is a more satisfying example of mercy towards a wayward friend, and it takes a fucking lot to get people to say anything good about IV.
>>291906227>Also his good ending doesn't pass up the cute girl that likes him to go off on gay friendship adventures.Yeah, that's another issue with all the previous ones. At least one of the Gaiden games shows Tir does have something going with Kasumi, but Riou being a cuck baggage carrier and Lazlo becoming an immortal hermit always seemed like bullshit.
>>291906382>>291906424Thank you. Wild I don't really remember any of that, admiration is a hell of a drug.
>>291906424It just feels like it undermines a lot of Riou's own growth to have him go back to running beside his friend like a puppy dog. I don't even think Jowy has to die, he can fuck off to be a hermit somewhere, but they've been through too much.
>>291906104I hope our two protagonists actually become proper characters and start driving the plot forward instead of just going along with the flow, like in this episode. Basically, I want this to turn into something like Heavy Object, except with two bros capturing castles and toppling regimes. Whatsherface should also start contributing to the war effort by having her clothes spontaneously explode, leaving her naked and embarrassed. I miss ENF.
>>291906474Now that I think about it, a misguided sense of loyalty also factored into it and being a hot topic kid so a black sword edgelord thing was cool.
>>291906472Tir sort of got a raw deal rune wise. Even Lazlo managed to turn his into a positive power but the Soul Eater is and always shall be a complete asshole and he has to stay away from EVERYONE before he starts going all Elric of Melnibone on shit.
>>291906502You uh... you didn't play the game.. or read this thread, did you?
>>291906502Extremely based taste
>>291906496I'd be fine if it were more like the Snowe stuff where Lazlo keeps stomping him but sparing him, and welcoming him back when he's at his lowest as a show of mercy. Or even the stuff in V with Euram. What stings about II is that Jowy gets no backlash whatsoever for all his shit and the good ending both metaphorically and literally hinges on Jowy not taking a single hit, having achieved all he wanted, banging a princess, and then riding off into the sunset while the general of the army that did all the work carries his luggage.
>>291906558>read this thread>readNo, I'm black.
>>291906350For me it was the tomboy Fisher hick. Raftfleet was so cool.
>>291906530It's kind of implied the Souleater got tamed at the end, so it's safe for him to hang around others like with Gremio. Remember how it actually protected him from Windy since Ted is inside it now. The problem is the same as with the Rune of Punishment: if he ever loses it, the cycle restarts, so he's gotta lay low.
>>291906602And her mom, too!
>>291906502The Tenkai star is sadly always sort of a figurehead, and Riou is by far the most figurehead-y of them all. It gets to the point where him bailing because none of this is his business becomes a possibility.I guess Lazlo is kind of in command, but only because IV is sort of very half-assed plot wise. Frey is probably the only one you could argue is really the commander of his army because he occasionally does stuff without being asked (like springing Lucretia) and being the only Tenkai for whom the war is 100% personal, so his strategist is actually pursuing his goals rather than using him as a mascot.
>>291906424>and it takes a fucking lot to get people to say anything good about IV.I can't really DEFEND IV but there's a lot I LIKE about IV. I like a good chunk of the SODs. Some of them being my favorite in the series. I like the Island nations as a setting. I even think the boat, in theory if not practice, was cool. I think Cray was POTENTIALLY one of the more interesting villains and the game will sometimes surprise you with putting in small details and points of effort when you won't expect it. Like more characters than you'd think have voiced lines. It's just kind of a shame the game never really got to live up to it's ideas. Though that said Tactics is actually a pretty good game and while it doesn't fill in all the gaps it gives you a better sense of what IV could have been.
>>291906602V is sort of "II: Reheated Nachos", but it does absolutely have the most colorful and fleshed out assortment of SoDs in the franchise. Like I can actually recall something interesting about everyone, as opposed to Pallet Swap Ninja and Dancer Girl No Not The Gypsy The Other One.
Why do some people get Runes of Being Extremely Based And Powerful while others get Runes Of Your Girlfriend Dumping You And Your Home Repossessed? It doesn't seem very fair.
>>291906781I remember a lot of people complaining that V kind of takes a while to get going and while I don't wholly disagree it really was better for it. They spent a lot of effort getting you attached to the royal family and when shit finally went sideways boy did it pay off.
>>291906753>POTENTIALLYI know the feeling, I CONCEPTUALLY love a lot about IV. The premise sounds great, it actually bothers to establish Lazlo is a talented captain instead of just being another Figurehead With a Rune and the whole deals sounds like it should be great. it's just that you then play the game and it's... not.Great payoff on the Schtolteheim Reinbach gag though, that was cool.
>>291906802There's still like NINE of these fucking things we don't have a name for too. I bet some of them are real bastards.
>>291906865The Uzumaki one looks cool
>>291906826Yeah, the extremely fucking long intro is a pain on a replay, but it does work to actually establish whole swatches of the cast and getting you to care about Falena before you're thrown out there.
>>291906802-True Rune of Cool Lightning Powers-True Rune of Cool Fire Powers-True Rune of Cool Water Powers You Can't Use Because Chris Can't Cast For Shit-True Rune of Cool Vampire Powers-True Rune of Cool Kill-Vampire Powers-True Rune of Fuck It You Can Summon an Army of Demons-True Rune of Fight to the Death With Your Best Friend-True Rune of All Your Friends Die-True Rune of You Die
>>291906941>True Rune of Cool Vampire PowersI want this one. I was born too late to be a real goth. I wish I could've lived that phase.
>>291906877>The Uzumaki one looks cool>The Rune of Punishment
>>291907018I goofed...
>>291906941-True Rune of gives your mom menopause -True Rune of WHO THE FUCK ACTUALLY USES EARTH MAGIC?-True Runes of THIS PLOT POINT WILL NEVER BE CHASED UP ON
I'll give this for the anime, if nothing else, it's a fine excuse to talk about Suikoden in earnest again. Really takes me back to my oldest internet forum days. Remember those. Actual message boards. Those were times.
>>291902218While the gang-up on Luca was great, I will never forgive the fucking war battle beforehand where you can just box him in and still spend like five turns attacking him until the RNG finally decides to let you hit him. I hated the war system in II so much, it's the one thing in which it's easily the worst in the franchise.
Why is he so strong? Autism?
>>291907217He just had that dog in him.Or implied True Beast Rune influence. Or both.
>>291907217Hate.
>>291906474He commits multiple war crimes but you probably remember him fondly because he joined you for 1 fight when that fat guy commander stabbed Nanami near the end of the game
>>291907217Some people are just too metal to leave alive.
>>291907210that game mode is so obviously half baked, the fact that the BGM just don't play in those sections is pretty funny I admit
>>291907402They never really got the war battles right did they. Even in the games where they kind of worked it always felt like a bit of a chore.
>>291907441Personally, it went V>IV>III>I>IIV is a kinda shitty RTS, but it's engaging enough and actually feels like leading armies. IV would be cooler if boarding weren't so obviously preferable than cannon-rock-paper-scissors.III exists. I is just rock-paper-scissors.II looks like it'd be a fairly normal strategy game if not for the fucktarded idea of damage being RNG so you get armies charging at each other for several turns and doing nothing.
>>291907533as a concept 2 probably is the most obvious way to do war mode, but man did they fucked up the execution.
>>291907370This is very true, and I think I also cried like a baby and dedicated myself to bringing him back alive.
>>291902270>>291903794Hearing Miyuki Sawashiro is always a delight.But oh my, I never expected Teresa to have such a cute voice. The anime makes her seem younger than her official age of 27.
>>291906350V is funny in that it's one of the few games where the MC being a twinkish pretty boy isn't just generic anime aesthetics, it's an actually recognized in-universe point that he's insanely fucking pretty.
>>291907727There's a lot of Arslan influence I think
>>291907727That royal guard outfit looks really good on him.
>>291907749I don't mind the default so much but I really wish they let you wear the alternate outfits. It's not like they weren't already programmed in there. I wanted to run around in his chill suit. It looked COMF AF
>>291907777I love these goofballs
>>291907749It's a real bummer they wouldn't let you use the Commander outfit on NewGame+. It looked fucking awesome.
>>291907727Taking a lot after Kyle there. Which is understandable.
>>291907777>>291907797I vaguely remember the first time he was shown in the main outfit. It looked a little feminine so to speak, but it's because IIRC the girls chose it for him and were giggling to themselves at making him look as pretty as possible. Poor guy.
IV is such a weird game. They include a gag joke ending where you chill with your bros on a deserted island complete with funny portraits. And not only does it have that it has it for a combination of two out of four characters. All of him have dialogue appropriate to their order in the conversation so the same character might not actually have the same line of dialogue. It's just a bizarre amount of effort when the rest of the game is....Suikoden 4.
Also, It and Tactics are also the only PS2 ones to have Progressive scan and a surprisingly not shit PAL version. Why doesn't 5 have progressive scan?!
>>291907885The only good memory I have of Suikoden IV is the opening theme. I think kids these days would call it a "banger".https://youtu.be/Zr7Fp8exy3Y
I finished Suikoden I and now I'm playing IIHoly fuck did Rina like suck off that guard behind the shed?? I feel like it was heavily implied in the game, but absent in the anime
>>291908044It was for the greater good.
>>291908044All they did was have an adult conversation. Also goddamn did the anime do them dirty
>>291905596The best version of the bad end was going back to the meeting place, only guarding in the duel, refusing the rune a few times, being one or two stars short forcing you to have to accept it eventually, and then continuing into the bad end.
>>291902114true runes are assholes that want to see humanity suffer until they finally relent at the end "here's something good for once"
>>291906730>Riou is by far the most figurehead-y of them allI'd more say that Thomas from 3 is. He doesn't even get to be the main character, just the guy who owns the castle and the guy who has to do most of the running around recruiting. Though at least he gets to have the cute gate guard waifu so it was probably all worth it.
>>291908467I disagree on the grounds that Thomas isn't even the figurehead at all, that's whoever becomes the Flame Champion. By which I mean Hugo because the two other choices were fucking stupid.
>>291906941>>291907064There's also the True Rune of Dragons Get To Exist, that didn't really seem to have a point beyond that.
>>291908501Trinity site was an interesting idea but they tied two of the characters too closely to their other runes and really really wanted you to pick Hugo anyway.
>>291901718Are the games worth playing?
>>291908541I, II and V are quite cool. III is a lot of cool ideas that sadly didn't work at all. IV is the gaming equivalent of a flavorless rice cracker.
>>291908501if the gacha is canon then it's confirmed that Hugo is the new flame champion
>>291908792Hugo was the flame champ in the manga as well. Pretty much everything, including the game, points to Hugo as the correct choice.
>>291908541Yeah, they're pretty fun. There are some fan patched versions for I and II to fix some bugs introduced by the US localizations.I has some weak points as expected from a first game but is worth playing even if you started later in the series. II is one of the main peaks for the franchise, which is why they picked it to make the anime out of. III was fun if you're into the series but had some core design issues like the new change they made from the normal 6 character party to having 3 sets of pairs to make up the 6 characters and pairs being directed at the same time instead of separately with the character running around the battlefield with AOEs for spells and abilities instead of the standard JRPG fight set up, and the problem of the head guy leaving partway thru since his contract was up which kept it from getting to really develop fully and was probably what caused IV and V to be prequels instead of moving forward. IV once again had a few interesting ideas but not enough to really keep it from just being a bit mediocre with it changing up the formula again and doing a 4 character party, it also had some retreading of I's themes to the point of even including a character from I and his True Rune as a bit of fan service. V was a sort of return to form going back to the 6 character party and was really good even if parts of it were retreading II, the characters were well fleshed out and you got a lot of little choices that felt good as part of the story, example being there's a duel late in the game against a guy that multiple potential party members have a reason to fight and if you bring any of them they'll want to be the one to duel him and if I remember correctly if you bring them all they'll argue a bit over who gets to do it though if any of them lose they full out die for real locking you out of the special ending for having all 108 characters.
>>2919085411 and 2 are must play greatest RPGs of all time. 3 was the last time the creator worked on it but left midway, good story but it demands patience to go throught some jank.
>>291908850>3 was the last time the creator worked on it but left midway,not even midway, he left near the completion of the game which makes it hurts even more. You can even tell the moment he let go of the game, there's a massive tonal shift in near the final stretch of the game
>>291905507Nanami deserting the army is more for her own mental health rather than the MC's.You do have an option to run away with Nanami earlier, but it leads to a bad ending, and since you chose to keep going, you chose to accept that MC is characterized as not willing to abandon his duty until the war is over.
What's everyone's opinion on Suikoddn III? Some say it's just as great as II but some (like me) are also put off by the ambitious gameplay changes and it forcing you to juggle three different protagonist.Also, Chris and the Zexen Knights did nothing wrong, the Grasslanders are violent assholes.
God how sad is it that Eiyuden Chronicles ended up sucking so hard. This game made Suikoden IV look brilliant. Literally NOTHING in this game was good. Not a goddamn thing.
>>291908947I mostly like it. I can appreciate a games ambition even if it doesn't always grab what it's reaching for. The manga is pretty entertaining. One my favorite bits was when Chris confronts Hugo and was basically "yeah sorry, not sorry."
>>291908959That said, I'm amazed it even came out. Shadow Hearts bros and Wild Arms bros just got scammed.
>>291906154Jowy did nothing wrong.When Luca died, Jowy was crowned the king of Highland because he married the princess, so he couldn't just immediately surrender because that would just breed resentment and none of his people would listen to him even if he did.
>>291908947I liked it. I'm a sucker for multiple point of views story about revealing a large conspiracy. The gameplay changes takes a long time to get used to, but I appreciate they were trying something new instead of just making Suikoden 2 2. But it's also has a shit ton of problems, and I understand if people disliked it.
>>291908846Then there are the spin offs. Tactics released as Rhapsodia in Japan without the Suikoden title stuck on it but still part of Suikoden which as you'd expect is a SRPG and is specifically a spin off for IV which helps make the story of IV make more sense, Swordsman of Harmonia and Duel at Crystal Valley which are side story games for I and II that set up for III and are VNs that were Japan only until fan translations came out, Tierkreis which is an alternate world setting and was typically disliked for not really feeling like it meets up to the originals, and Woven Web of the Centuries which was another alt-universe which was Japan only but got a fan translation back in 2021.As far as platforms for each:I and II were PS1 with later remakes for current gen. III, IV, and V were PS2. Tactics was PS2, Tierkreis was DS, Woven Web was PSP, and the VNs were PS1. >>291908925>near the completion of the gameYeah, and then when working on what was supposed to be a spiritual successor kind of game that could maybe have turned into a franchise he died near the end of the development. Not that his death was a likely cause for Eiyuuden Chronicle's issues, but it does probably mean we will never get a follow up that will develop on the game and grow out of those issues.>>291908792>>291908803Hugo is the only one who really made any sense to be the new Flame Champion. Chris has more of a tie to her father and the True Water rune, and Geddoe already has the True Lightning and is just pretending its a normal Lightning rune. If you pick either of them Hugo just gets stuck with the one meant for them instead and Hugo makes the most sense storywise to be Flame Champion since he's the only one who is actually a member of one of the Grasslands Tribes who the Flame Champion is supposed to be a hero of.
>>291909002>The Virgin Grasslander vs the Stacy Zexen.
>>291909002>spoilerI mean yeah, kid was trying to kill her, it was self defense
>>291909070>Play Suikoden III thinking it has some new cool warbattles.>It's just a powerpoint presentation and a slightly different version of the regular battle system.Suikoden II maybe too scripted but I really liked how it took place in the same map and let you feel the scale of the war.
>>291908541No. You have to get 100ths of characters (some entirely missable for a playthrough) to get the true ending of the story. Not worth it.
>>291908959It had some promise to it, but the way so many important story things just got off screened leaving you feeling like you didn't get to do the important parts and the way all the moments that should have been developing stakes just got neutered like the main character's home down getting destroyed but having not a single death come out of it not even some unnamed NPC just made it feel half-assed. There were some interesting plot threads that never really went anywhere, good character designs that were squandered, interesting character concepts that sat in the background undeveloped, and a setting that could have turned into something with some more good work put into it, but all of that ended up being rather forgettable since they didn't really reach the potential they had. But with Yoshitaka Murayama dying there really isn't going to be another shot at it to give it a chance to improve. I was one of the kickstarter backers for it, and I'm glad it came out, eventually, but it really does feel like it just needed something more to be good. I would give them one last chance if they did make a sequel, even without Murayama, but I doubt they ever will.
>>2919067534 had my favorite jeane outfit. I'm still mad though that I played through the entire thing and only realized that you could hold the run button to make the boat go faster right at the end.
>>291909024>so he couldn't just immediately surrender because that would just breed resentment and none of his people would listen to him even if he did.The problem is that while they might SAY that, 2 never really shows it. Highland is for all intents a complete autocracy. If they went alongside Luca they'd have followed Jowy. This is something V did a lot better. They actually show how the noble houses really strong arm the royal family.
>Riou and the City State remnants trap and surround Luca Blight's single unit while the Highlanders scramble to save him but Luc trolls Sasarai and unleashes the True Wind on them.>Luca goes mad when his unit gets damage and tears through your army and escapes by himself.How did he do it? Is he Lu Bu?
>>291909256It felt too safe. There was a part early on when an important hero NPC is ready to pull an Odessa and die for her cause and the main badguy just lets her walk away. Completely unharmed. Zombies overrun a city but you can walk in there and go to the shops without so much a fuss. They say some shit about how the non human races are oppressed but you never see any of them suffer. It almost feels ad libbed. There's a scene at the tale end of the game where they make a big fuss about finding our secret hide out and I was shocked that we were supposed to be hiding because my city is a bustling metropolis. The story is so baffling bad that I honestly can't organize my thoughts about it. The MC is pointless. The brown girl felt tacked on. Blue Guy feels like he COULD have had a dramatic story with his family being his enemies but you don't get any time to focus on that. Instead you get LOL WACKY sharks and a retarded munchkin screaming I'M LUCKY as her only character trait and is also somehow the most important person in the world. And if the story wasn't bad enough the actual gameplay was even worse. Characters range from doing no damage to shit damage. Magic is useless. The mini games are excruciating. Duels don't feel like they have any logic outside of being those EPIC BATTLE animations off newgrounds and the war battles make S2's look fun.
>We need a military adviser guys!>I know, let's get the guy famous for committing war crimes to be our strategist>hires Leon "Let's Keep the War Going even After We're Totally Fucked for Lulz" Silver(((berg)))Did this incredible prick show up in the anime yet?
>>291909253It's not necessary to find everyone. There's a very fun game to play even when you don't get the "true" ending. If you just wanna see a different cutscene, YouTube is right there.
>>291908959It was alright. The thing that sucked the most was the woke localization that changed a lot of the original lines.
>>291908947It's worth it fors fans of I and II, but requires patience for the game's speed and learning curve.
>>291909332As mid as IV is, it has some of the hottest Suikoden girls so I can never hate the gameThat, and Ritapon is my favorite Suikoden mini-game alongside II's cook-off
god I want to sex nanami so HARD
I wish I was like luca buraitofuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk
>they captured my friend......>BUT HE'LL MAKE IT BACK BECAUSE WE MADE A PINKY PROMISE!!!!kino writing
>>291910272The childhood friend promise is the most powerful force in all of anime.
>>291903077Don't do it.The anime so far is abysmal shit.
>>291909625>It's not necessary to find everyoneYou do need it for the actual ending.
So is this an adaptation of I or II? I want to play II one day but don't want to see spoilers if this anime covers II.
>>291911011It adapts 2. Not sure why they skipped 1.
>>291910983>You do need it for the actual ending.Which is pretty meaningless in the youtube era.
>>2919110992's the critical nostalgia baby but 1 would have been SO SO much easier to adapt in a shorter amount of episodes and lower budget then if that did well they could jump into 2 with more set up. It's gonna be weird if/when Tir shows up in this too.
Who?
God I hate his stupid portrait. Most other heroes have a portrait that implies a fierce look of determination this retard looks like someone just shouted HEY STUPID.
>>291911168What a dork!
where's my Vandal Hearts anime
>>291911168How does he stack up to the series other protagonists?
>>291911302Anyone remember the sequel to this game? It had a seriously bizarre battle system, like FFT but simultaneous turns. It was like playing the board game Battleship. You had to guess where the enemy would be and which direction they would cast and attack, then the turns resolved at the same time. This is the story of a deranged game.
>>291911323if following the true ending he's arguably one of the worst, imagine being such a bitch that you accept your traitorous war criminal "best friend" back into your posse and pretend nothing ever happenedSuikoden 2's weakest link is ironically the main 3 characters
>>291911323Bland. He's pretty bland. The game really wants you to get attached to the conflict between him and his buddy but it really feels like other characters do too much of your speaking for you.
>>291911360It was a bit of an ugly game too. Interesting idea but I don't think it ended up working. There's a mod that makes the battles more traditionally turn based, but I can't say how well it works. I feel like it might invite new problems the game didn't account for. Did you know there was a third game on PS3? It's not awful but I wouldn't say it was memorable by any extension.
>>291911437>Did you know there was a third game on PS3?I did not. Mind blown. Thanks, anon!
>>291911482It'll kill a boring weekend
>>291911117might as well watch the full playthrough thenfucking retarded zoom subhuman
>>291911591>Thinks watching a second or third ending is the same as not playing the entire game.Right back at ya, you walking abortion.
>>291911607you didnt earn the right to watch the true ending
>>291911323Most Suikoden MCs have no personality, so he’s bland and boring. You also have to abandon everything you’ve built during the game and take his treacherous best friend back without so much as an apology if you want the best ending, because Japan is obsessed with childhood friends and the concept of the protagonist leaving for reasons.
>>291911854ur crong
>>291911854Even if they're boring some of them are at least are not complete pussiesTir was chad enough to beat his dad to deathRiou or Rilou or whatever is a complete bitch whot's not even allowed to slap Jowy's ugly mug in their final confrontation
>>291903077Read the original novel instead.
Jowy is handsome and deserves a second chance!
3 was alright but I kind of wish we just got that Fire Bringer story instead.
>>291912008I don't understand the point of him
audio is out of sync in the two releases I tried.
>>291913100just do CTRL+- and adjust to -1000msur using mpv right?
>>291913100I've been using the Bird releases and they seem alright
>>291911875Let’s be honest, neither of those things has any emotional impact. Tir’s struggles ring hollow because we have no idea how he feels about any of it. Riou’s willingness to forgive everything Jowy does feels wussy because we have no idea what their relationship is like beyond “well, he’s Riou’s childhood friend”. Putting a mute literally who at the center of a story-heavy game always makes the story worse, and Suikoden’s MCs are particularly bad at showing the leadership the game pretends they have.
>>291908601I think 1 to 5 are all worth playing. 1, 2 and 5 being the "good" ones. 3 and 4 aren't bad games though. The biggest problem with both of them is repetitive travel over same areas. Running across the same plains as 3 characters in 3, or sailing the stupid boat in 4.
>>291909446Also the fact that Jowy didn't just "continue the war", he went into extra douchebag tactics to drag on the fighting even after Highland was clearly losing ground. He wasn't forced into hiring fucking Yuber into his army, he did all that on his own.
>>291902314At least he's well aware of what he's doing and owning up to it.If they wrote his character today, they'll give him a sad backstory and write off every atrocity he committed to be the works of the beast rune.
>>291908947Interesting ideas, none brought to fruition. Character arcs just seem like they cut off right at the point where they should be getting somewhere and everything gets wrapped up too quickly with "Forget all our previous disagreements, we need to go kill the evil wizard to SAVE THE WORLD FROM DOOM" which is a very un-Suikoden-like scope for a conflict. Even in the first one, Windy's plot with the Souleater was running alongside the state-military conflict, it didn't swallow it.
>>291906104If the protagonists just steamrolled the enemy from the get go; there won't be a need to acquire all 108 stars of destiny, is there?
>>291913372Funny thing is that the 108 Stars thing is never canonically explained, actually. You don't need them to win the actual conflicts. The first game makes a very vague reference to the concept of gathering the stars, and then this is never fleshed out again, you just get someone to ominously gift you with a list in the other games and nothing ever builds on that. 3 is the worst in that they don't even bother doing that, the list just shows up in the middle of the map without any reference to it.At least in IV and V they do settle on it being the key to turn the True Runes into their benevolent state, but in the first game it just comes down to letting you revive Gremio through some shenanigans with the Gate Rune, and in II you unlock a spell just by getting them before an arbitrary date.
>>291910087anyone that tries 4 will be playing it in emulation now, and 8x speed pretty much removes its pain points
>>291913315are remasters good or pozzed? if pozzed is there a de-pozzifying patch?
>>291913315People playing 3 now need to hear up front that the order of play doesn't matter. You won't lose any RPG stuff or be unable to get 108 by doing it in the wrong order. I had sperg anxiety trying to play it with zero spoilers and not knowing that.
>>291913286You don't really need to tell me how a shonen royal road protagonist feels.
>>291913351They did give him a sort of tragic backstory as of the Suikogaiden VNs. When he was young he and his mother were kidnapped by "bandits" who were actually City State soldiers from Muse, and his father left Luca and his mom to get captured to save himself rather than getting kidnapped with them, his mom got raped a bunch by the soldiers while he was forced to watch and his dad didn't really do much about it. His sister isn't his father's child, she's a result of the rapes. And then his mother died as a result of all of it, possibly due to killing herself. So he blames his father for the rape and death of his mother, sees her in his sister in a way that makes him particularly mad, and really wants to kill the people of the City State Alliance in general now. The atrocities are all him though and the Beast rune is just a tool he uses along the way. It never treats that backstory as any kind of excuse, just a thing that started him off.>>291909455>How did he do it? Is he Lu Bu?He's supposed to be modeled a bit after Xiang Yu who was the Conqueror-King whose defeat by the guy who ended up starting the Han dynasty of China is generally considered a major part of what allowed for the start of the Han dynasty. Xiang Yu was known for being a great warrior and tactician but absolutely useless at diplomatic relations, he even had a similar death scene to Luca with the whole fighting off waves and waves of guys until it was just him left covered in wounds.>>291913484The HD2D and modern style UI aren't the greatest looking, though maybe I'm just old. The translation is supposed to be more faithful to the Japanese and they at least did fix a bunch of typos and simple errors but still misses some and adds others. Slapped together some random screens to compare with a bit.
Luca stopped the power of the True Rune with one swing. He's such a fucking chad.
>>291910983>>291911591>>291911612A game is to be played. You see the whole main story if you play it. Many characters are just irrelevant extras, there's no need to be a compulsive completionist right of the bat. Getting everyone gives you some extra cutscenes, but it doesn't change the experience. Complaining you can't find all extras on a first playthrough is like complaining you can't beat an arcade game with 1 coin on your first try. If you only care about the ending of a game, why play the whole game on the first place? Interactive media might nof be for you.
>>291913484The remasters are good enough, there's no pozzing. The new translation is... different. I wouldn't say it's better or worse, they did fix some mistakes but in the end it's the same thing with different wording.The worst thing is that in Suikoden 1 a lot of background graphics were changed for worse. You could see the walls, ceilings and outside of the buildings you're in, but they made they all black void in the remaster (it was always like that in Suikoden 2).
>>291913357>Forget all our previous disagreements, we need to go kill the evil wizard to SAVE THE WORLD FROM DOOMthis shit was so jarring the first time I played itlike I was asking myself am I playing Final Fantasy or SuikodenLuc and his cronies also joined you later without much hesitationThis feels like the director just jumped off the ship and no one knows what to do so they just hastily made up some bullshit
>>291913879>Luc and his cronies also joined you later without much hesitationI remember it being that they're still the last bosses but if you have the other 104 characters you get the extra chapter of Luc's point of view
>>291913898Wait, did he not join in the main game?My bad, I guess I might be mistaken that for his bonus story
>>291913898They're actually included in the Tablet of Stars. As in, three of the Stars of Destiny are the guys you're fighting to kill. They just show up inscribed there and you wouldn't know if you didn't look. It's part of the whole "this was all clearly extremely unfinished" thing in 3.Also loved how all of Albert Silverberg's brilliant tactics ended up being "I had the Deus Ex Machina magic chick use her magic to magically magic some bullshit up. Yeah, she could summon a demon army without the Gate Rune and set up a magic Makes-You-Wanna-Kill-Folks field cause that's a thing you can do now."
>>291913286https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbE2gbe_38I honestly still find the whole duel and death scene emotional, I thought it was well done despite the limitations of the PS1. I guess I'm just a sap.
>>291913696>>291913855aight ill give it a try
>>291913950Yeah, them being part of the 108 was weird since they never actually join the group. I can kind of understand what they were going for, but it wasn't done well. If it had been done right it could have had a really impactful feeling at the end instead of just leaving you with "Luc is kind of a retard, Sarah is even more retarded, Albert exists I guess, and Yuber is just being consistent".
After checking the Suikoden mods, I'm disappointed that none of them offer new characters to recruit.When I played this game decades ago, I expected Seed and Culgan to be recruitable.
How is the gacha actually? Nips reaction to the story there seems positive
>>291914120>I expected Seed and Culgan to be recruitable.They always seemed like hard loyalists to their country which is why they support Jowy in betraying Luca since Luca is going to ruin the country
>>291914124Global's release date hasn't been announced yet and it looks story heavy enough that it's hard to take a shot at the Japanese version
>episode named Turning Pointkwab
It is kind of funny how much they made Nanami hate Gordeau right from the start when he's the one who will end up shooting her in the chest with a crossbow and all
I do wonder how they'll handle the kind of useless Stars of Destiny like Tenkou, who is just a guy that makes windows and only exists to let you change the UI a bit.
>>291902160Depends on what armor she wears in the late stages of the anime.
>>291914124>>291914185I really hope they release a console/PC offline version like what Square Enix did with FF resonance season 1.
>>291908267>>291902114le sword n shield rune is suppose to force the sword and shield guys fight each other, then the victor gets all the power. it's a bromance tragedy.
>>291908947i enjoyed the manga edition. Luc dindus.
>>291906104>-Steal a castle from Temu Draculathat is rude comparing a konami game ripoff to commie clothing stores.the not-dracula arc was kino.
>>291911168it's mentioned several times in the game but he's just a kiddo.
>>291914896Sorry, I can't hear you over the trio makes up and reunites to go on their own happy adventures ending.
>>291911854It's why I love that 5 ends with Twinky McPretty MC personally beating Gizel to death with a stick. No shit about being better than them or someone else doing it, nigga just bludgeons him to death in front of his sister and then they hug like "I love that you are back and it was very cool you just definitely murdered that dude with a particularly painful weapon".
>>291913855Come on, anon, the OG translation was barely English at many points. The awkward phrasing, ellipses galore, broken sentences that made characters seem retarded, inconsistent names, and so on. Those translations were infamously terrible even by the SNES/PSX standards.
>>291915497Frey also didn’t pull the usual “and then he left” Japanese bullshit. He stayed, followed the family tradition, became the Knight Commander and helped his sister rule their country.
>>291903351Literally this, the anime is aimed towards people that already played the game. Either do so first or be ready for an overhype.Also, play Suikoden 1 first.
>>291908947It was great, specially if you played I and II and got the true ending.
>>291916666>6666▶hail satan. i want to play a konami game now.
>>291909607Let's not forget Leon Epsteinberg moving into the city he organized the genocide of afterwards because "he liked the peace and quiet." What a shame his cute noble sister dies and you are left with anime-Henry Kissinger to be your strategist (in 1). His other brother Matthew is alright I guess.
>>291916666Don't most Suikoden have the option of either becoming a politician or fucking off to have your own adventures though? In 5 you can also leave on a ship with your bodyguard love interest if you want. I am at least sure that 2 and 5 more or less give you both options, although in 2 if you want to have the best ending you have to eventually go on an adventure, IIRC. But in 5 you can make your choice freely at the end.
>>291918442In 5, if you don't gather all the stars, you can't turn the Sun Rune to its life-giving state and heal Lyon, so she dies and Frey leaves Falena with Georg (which is obviously non-canonical because he definitely isn't travelling with him during Suikoden 1). Frey staying is the canonical ending.2 is backwards. Riou stays if Nanami or Jowy die. He always leaves with them in the good ending.Lazlo's only two endings are island hermit or corpse, and the only difference for Tir is whether Gremio is with him or not.
>>291904243One issue with starting with 2 is that a lot of the charm and uniqueness of the game came from the novelty of it continuing right from the established world and characters from 1. Like, Flik is the guy you had a conflict with in the first game and is now a much cooler chill dude who's slightly melancholic from what happened then. It kinda loses much of the punch if you don't already know these guys.
>>291916458The new English translation was handled by an AI company. There are many fixes in some terms but at the same time there's some weird changes and things that needed better attention ended up the same. The whole process was well detailed in the Suikosource forums. It's a pick your poison deal, by the end any translation is understandable enough but far from what the original Japanese text deserves.
>>291902160honestly the route where she dies is better as a story and more thematically appropriate
>>291906040I wanna say 3 is the best because it doesnt have one but it suffers from other writing problems
>>291906424>the hot gypsy tomboy that wanted to ride his dick.still mad that doesnt go anywhere. if he wanted to fuck off and travel the lands then joining her group would have been ideal yet theres no ending where he does that
>>291919039No, it's possible to leave in the 108 stars ending with Lyon alive as well. The epilogue of that ending also explicitly states that Frey/Lyon split off from Georg before Georg returns to the northern continent, so there is no conflict in terms of canon. https://youtu.be/NU-JXOzURK4
>>291919585NTA, but... Sorry, I can't hear you over Nanami's armor folded 1000 times. It's one of the EXTREMELY rare cases where an out-of-battle gameplay element directly affects a major plot point in a JRPG that isn't just a hidden timer going in the background.
>>291908947I think the buddy system is awesome because it forces you to strategize by putting restrictions on spells and item usage. The difficulty is nice too, im glad theres a little bit of challenge instead of being very easy like 1 and 2.I also like the Trinity site system and the three protagonists and the defined dynamic they have with their groups. Up to a certain point the games story is probably the best in the series until the villains take center stage and it starts pulling the same retarded writing trick over and over again, that is "the villains beat our heroes in a cutscene and have them right where they want and they are willing to kill thousands to achieve their goal but theyre not going to finish them off here". FUCK THIS. the first few times you can explain it as "we have no time and these guys arent a threat lets move on" but one the finale kicks in and all three factions have definitively proven themselves as huge obstacles to their goal THERES NO FUCKING REASON why they would let them live after every scripted loss and cutscene defeat. Its literally just an excuse to move the plot forward because they couldnt think of another way to do it. either actually make them kill of the protagonists or try to when they have the chance, have some allies show up to bail them out at the last moment, DONT HAVE SO MANY SCRIPTED LOSSES AT ALL, just DONT FUCKING MAKE THEM LEAVE FOR NO DISCERNIBLE REASON WHAT THE FUCK
>Nanami>Is ambivalent throughout the whole war despite being among friends>Once her brother's army starts getting the upper hand, she encourages her brother to desert>Fakes death in a convoluted stupid plot to somehow encourage her brother to fight>Comes back only after all the work is done>Ditches all responsibility and drags her brother off to wander like hobos together with Warcrime McTraitor instead of staying to rule the country where he's a war hero and has a smoking hot gypsy tomboy fangirl pining over him>Lymsleia>Remains strong despite being a captive in enemy territory during the whole war>Comes with a hot bodyguard that's also kinda into her brother>Once her brother's army starts getting the upper hand, she bluffs the enemy into committing to an all-out offensive with her in the field as a high-stakes gambit to allow her brother to win a decisive victory and "capture" her so he can end the war sooner>Assumes her responsibility as Queen, changes the rules to give her brother the King Consort position so he can stay in the country where he's effectively hailed as a god of war and has Hot Bodyguard, Hot Bodyguard 2, Fancy Noble Lady and Hot Fisherwoman Tomboy all clearly wanting to ride his three-section-staff.
>>291920061Its related to the kind of armor shes wearing? i never got that ending so i always assumed it had something to do with getting all 108 stars.
>>291920314You need all the Stars before a certain point so Leknaat unlocks the final spell of the Shield Rune, and she must also have a defense stat above a particular threshold.
>>291916666Providing you were nice to the imouto in the beginning.
Playing S2 and it's funny that Seed looks a bit like Squall
>>291919039Don't you always first become a politician for a while and then after a timeskip get the option to leave if you get the true ending?
>>291919039>>291920598In Suikoden 2, I mean.
>>291908947I think it's the best game in the series, especially in 2026 since you can frame-skip the backtracking which was its biggest issue. Each protag is likeable (well maybe not Chris) and has an actual personality, and you get to organically use most of the recruits since they're split between 4 protags. S2 has the highest high (killing the last boss halfway through), but the rest of the game is just running on fumes and you don't even get to torture Jowy to death, bringing down the overall satisfaction level.
>>291920619Suikoden II's ending is after the war has just wrapped up Riou being pushed to be the leader of the new government, if you say no you get to run around and can talk to NPCs to get new post war dialog in some places, if you go back to where Jowy and Riou left the mark on the rock you get the final duel against Jowy where the intended thing is to learn from Genkaku and refuse to attack in the duel doing nothing but defend, either way Jowy will be dying and begging Riou to take the Black Sword, you're given a yes/no kind of option, if you have the full 108 and say no enough times Leknaat will show up to fix Jowy and turn the Sword and Shield into the Rune Of Beginnings, then you find out Nanami faked her death and go on an adventure or whatever, if you did not have all 108 or you choose to take the Sword Riou will go back and accept his position as the leader of the new country
>>291920977OK, then I must have mixed it up with McDohl becoming president in S1 and then already retiring by S2.
>>291920346I thought it was based on how quickly you hit the button
>>291920368Why would ever not be nice to the imouto. Outside of when it's really really funny.
>>291921183I remember reading that as well, since the US version for whatever reason made the dialog choice for what Riou shouts go away if you aren't fast enough while the JP version gives you as long as you want
>>291901718watching the anime is quite something, besides the fact I should really replay the game but I am such a lazy personIt is unreal how many tropes were started by it and JRPGs still continue using these tropes.
>>291922087Like what? This game was pretty late to the scene, I bet whatever "tropes" were done by plenty of earlier games.
>>291922504Indeed. None of the Suikodens were big sellers or legendary critical darlings either, making it statistically unlikely they influenced anything.
>>291923033Very few RPGs were BIG sellers back then.
The whole sequence of sneaking into the camp was so confusing to me. Were they discovered because they chose to bring their unique iconic weapons with them despite wearing disguises?
>>291923971https://youtu.be/kSdtNzMOF2c?si=0T2lE8z13Ywy5Fu0&t=4835The anime adaptation is very rushed, the whole camp sequence made more sense in the game.In the game they snuck into the camp by pretending to be survivors of the Unicorn Brigade when everyone in Highland knows there were 2 survivors who were spies that caused the massacre, then later on Rowd saw them and alerted the soldiers in the camp.For some reason they changed it in the anime into Rowd just instantly knowing they were sneaking around in the camp as if he's an Oblivion guard.
>Gengen and Rikimaru are nowhere to be seen on this episode Did they fail to escape?
While opinions on Jowy and Nanami might be slightly controversial, please do not lose track of who truly and genuinely deserved to get raked over burning coals: this little cunt.
>>291924233I thought I was having a stroke while watching episode and somehow missed a scene or two
>>291924602inb4 they choose to drag this shit out of all things to a whole episode length
>>291924602>calls out retards who fall for obvious traps>Gets everyone to stand against the villainsHe's alright
>>291906635I never really got that, I figured Gremio could go with Tir because Soul Eater already ate him once. If Tir gets close to anyone else they're at risk of being eaten.It also neatly explains why he has to go off and be a hobo instead of ruling the Toran Republic, his rune is going to drag them into so many fucking wars if he stays
>>291924682Two River is hilarious because when you get down to it, Shu sends you to try and broker some diplomatic agreement, you spend basically the entire thing chasing a hood rat for your wallet and achieving nothing, until Highland troops invade completely unprompted thus giving Shu an excuse to deploy troops in response and justify Two River being indebted to you and joining.It's the most "just fuck around until the plot happens" sequence in the whole game.
>>291924233In both scenarios these two dorks had a poorly conceived plan, to be honest.
>>291924796>It's the most "just fuck around until the plot happens" sequence in the whole game.For all the love 2 gets there's a few parts that really do just fee padded to hell. You got this whole mess in Two River. You got the school section where they think it's a clever idea to have the face of the rebellion go into enemy territory as a student and the whole Neclord Redux really doesn't add much to the main conflict.
Is Suikoden V actually better written than II? Is it our time, V bros? Vindication...
>>291924956In many regards. People say the villains are a bit shallow and while you can look at Luca as the "ur" example of a villain with shallow motives he has a lot more screen charisma than Gizlle did. Though other characters pick up the slack when it comes to complexity. V has far and away the best written main stars though.
>>291925013I liked the strategist in V. She was cute and big brain.
I can't take a nigga named jowy seriously. why did they name him that
>>291924956It has worse villains, not bad, just kind of predictable, and less dramatic turns and twists, in addition of not having the luxury of continuing plot threads from a previous game on account of being a prequel. The supporting cast is great though, probably the most memorable in the franchise, and it is still a load of fun, plus it is the one game where you 100% are invested in finishing the war. Even the Stupid Big Thing that happens later on isn't actually stupid, it's just badly executed.
>>291925090The Atreides part is weirder for me because it makes me think of Dunc.
>>291925053I love how you go recruit her and she just says "I accept" before you even say a word because why the fuck else would you be there if not to recruit her. I also appreciate the scene where she outright confesses a strategist HAS to put up a theatrical bullshit act of being omniscient for morale reasons and is genuinely impressed when you figure out where she's going with things.
>>291925103I remember it being extremely horny and everyone wanted the Prince including his blood relatives and even some guys.
>>291925053It also has by far the best detective in the franchise. I love Richmond, but Oboro was the best.
>>291925144I liked the plan of letting the enemy occupy the submarine castle while it was afloat, then sneaking back in to the secret water maintenance area, submerging it and retaking the now empty castle because the entire enemy garrison drowned in agony. Pretty cash. I realize it only worked because the bad guys were dumb enough to take a sinking castle whose workings they didn't fully understand but it was still fun.
>>291925191It's hard to top Suikoden Columbo but Oboro and his senpai just have more screen presence. I want to destroy that smile.
>>291924682He already takes up a whole damn arc in the game, so it may even be two fucking episodes.
>>291901718Where's Tir?
>>291925339Out Fishing
>>291902314Luca is one of the best villains exactly because he's unapologetic. He does not cover behind I was bullied in school(tho he has a tragic past), he's just fucking fucks.
>>291925372I feel like there's a weird issue when a villain has, what he believes, is a GOOD motive and we're supposed to see them as intelligent but then they always just end up doing horrible shit and their justification and ultimate plan is just kind of really stupid if you think about it at all. S3's villain is supposed to be more complex but he's just dumb. Yeah yeah he sees the bad future of entropy and the ashen world and true runes are assholes but he folded pretty quickly compared to people who have been carrying these things for much longer. It's not like there was a serious time crunch either. And wah wah wah I'm a clone.
>>291925495Nice drip though
This is making me want to play V again.
>>291925255The cool part is the implication: it's an extremely fucked up tactic when you get down to it because you're not planning on besieging and asking them to surrender, but rather straight up drowning thousands of them and butchering the rest like rats in a barrel. It's the sort of tactic that would normally get credited only to the strategist being pragmatically cold in order to leave the main character with his hands clean.But then you get to interrupt Lucrecia with "So I go and open the sluice gate now?" before she gets a chance to explain the trap and she goes "I'm impressed, you figured it out then?" thus establishing that Frey had foreseen and was 100% on board with the "Gruesomely butcher all the goatfucking invaders to a man and then let the flood wash out their corpses" plan from the start.
>>291926020I like having those chances for interpretation with the main character. I know it's discussed a lot ITT the pros and cons of silent protagonists, but these moments are neat. There are a few choices you can lean into, like being an unapologetic perv with your hot family or insisting on handling every duel personally which can give off that 2000s edgelord style despite the prince's feminine looks.
>>291926115There's a lot of bits to the story that suggest Frey is a ridiculous hardass that simply has the face of a porcelain doll.Like the bit where Georg mutters something about how it'd be nice to have Lucretia around, so Frey goes, completely unprompted, to fetch the one guy he knows who probably does criminal stuff, executes a prison breakout in an afternoon, loops around to win a naval battle that forces Raftfleet to throw their lot with you personally (thus gaining a power base independent from Barrows) and then he just strolls back into the Barrows manor with Lucretia in tow and nobody can believe how the hell he pulled that shit.Also the fact that he can beat the drug-boosted Childerich to death, which is patently nuts.
>The Suikoden gacha features Odessa shortly before Suikoden IJesus, and I thought V featuring Shun Mei as an adorable little girl was a gut punch. This is just fucking mean.
>>291925827There's a good undub version out there these days, which is nice with how much voice work is in V. https://retrogametalk.com/repo/ps2-iso/suikoden-v-undub/
>>291926020It's not like you sealed them in there. I'm sure plenty drowned but there's ample chance to evacuate when the water comes pouring in.
>>291926283>Also the fact that he can beat the drug-boosted Childerich to death, which is patently nuts.One thing that's pretty neat is how you can have other characters fight in the duels. Belcoot gets his rematch if you let him and depending on whose around and in your party completely rando nobody SoDs can fight him. How and why they never thought to making a dueling mini game is beyond me.
>>291926436Thanks!
>>291926699One of the angles of attack was explicitly to cut off the hanging bridge (the only way to walk out), and then use the Dragon Horse Cavalry to attack their few boats. Unless they swam the whole way to the shore, they absolutely all drowned.
>>291926763What's with that random invincible kid from the mercenary group? That was so weird. Total nerd but he won at life with those stats.
>>291926803Oh, well then I guess you're hardcore as fuck. I should replay the game. It's been while.
>>291926803Based Lucretia. The weak should fear the strong.
>>291926824I guess the difference is that these were Armes troops. Early on they have the thing where they take the trouble to spare the Falenan troops in the dam (though that also had propaganda benefits). These were Armes forces brought in from abroad though, so pretty much everyone is like "yeah, fuck those guys."
>>291926811He had a pretty good background, but you gotta dig into it with some investigations and random chats. Apparently his dad was a nutjob who trained him who abused the shit out of him and trained him to a psychotic degree, and when Mueller saw that, he flew into a rage and murdered him, taking Richard under his wing. That's why Richard follows him around like a puppy out of thanks. Basically, Richard was beaten into being a retard autist with insane sword skills, to the point even Belcoot says he can't match him.I think you learn most of this from a letter you get if you get him killed in the duel with Childerich.
>>291901718Why arent Georg Prime and the vampire lady in the ED? Are they gonna drop the Tinto arc?
>>291902314Its called being based.
>>291926936Thanks! It's nice to revisit all these memories. The anime itself is honestly whatever, but it's been fun going back in time with these threads.
Why is this getting an anime anyways? Why now?
>>291926971Georg is extraordinarily secondary in II.
>>291902314He's basically Goblin Slayer except he kills humans instead.
>>291927298Probably the new gacha
>>291927803Roight, but why not make the anime about the gachas story then
So does the new gachaslop actually reveal more about Harmonia and other hanging plot threads or is it purely a "remember the old games?" gacha?
>>291926020The Silverbergs would be proud!
>>291928086Based on spoilers I came across in Youtube comments, the gacha is centered around one of the True Runes that hadn't appeared in previous games, the Rune of Change
>>291926803>and then use the Dragon Horse Cavalry to attack their few boatsFunny thing about the Dragon Horses is that I don't think I ever even bothered to use them in war, since I'm pretty sure all naval combat got literally chewed on by these psychotic Furry Krakens. The little bitches would just straight up solo the whole enemy navy and come out completely unscathed.
>>291928925ALVIIIIIIIIIIIN!
>>291928925Apparently you can make really good ice cream with their anal glands.
>tfw you have to watch the anime on fast forward to unlock the clive ova
>>291929082I can proudly say I never bothered even trying to do that part. Whoever came up with the idea of rushing through a fucking SUIKODEN game needs to have their nipples hooked to a car battery.
>>291929143Hey it's less retarded than Excalibur II
>>291929143I was set on seeing the whole side quest but I also didn't want to miss anything else so I would create a save state whenever I got to a new area, walk around exploring until I was satisfied, and then load the state and speedrun through the area. thinking back now it probably would have been way easier to just use cheat engine or something to freeze the clock.
I miss Gaiden-like visual novels. I remember Chrono Trigger had one too.
>>291929082>>291929143At least they programmed ways to skip entire scenes in Suikoden II (going straight to the waterfall, not waiting for Jowy in Muse, going back to sleep instead of learning Genkaku's past, etc) to make the Clive side quest fairly doable on a later playthroughBut yeah, one of the neat things the II Remaster did was give the option to remove the timer to Clive's quest so you can see it without skipping large chunks of the story
>>291929462I just feel like somebody was trying to sneak extra content with their pet character because it's a lot of effort and Clive doesn't matter AT FUCKING ALL
>>291923033It might have influenced Chrono Cross and its fucking huge number of recruitable party members Lord knows why else 90s Squaresoft thought that having a cast of playable characters that rival the bigger strategy RPGs was a good idea for their Chrono Trigger sequel
I miss when Konami made games
>>291902348kek
